Best QB on our roster for the current team and system

[MTK]

I don't think we're winning more than 8 games with any of them. They all have glaring weaknesses. I think it's going to be a repeat of last year, all 3 will see their share of time.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think we're winning more than 8 games with any of them. They all have glaring weaknesses. I think it's going to be a repeat of last year, all 3 will see their share of time.

Bingo and Colt is crap he was even cut earlier in the year.

Scott M looked at the QB's saw what was available and his options and said to him self we just run with the crap we have there for now. I am going to focus on other areas to make us better then worry about the QB position. No reason to buy a Ferrari if you don't have the gas or people to drive it.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think we're winning more than 8 games with any of them. They all have glaring weaknesses. I think it's going to be a repeat of last year, all 3 will see their share of time.

That is a depressing thought. I hope you are wrong.

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't think we're winning more than 8 games with any of them. They all have glaring weaknesses. I think it's going to be a repeat of last year, all 3 will see their share of time.

Most honest post on this thread thus far. RG III is pretty much done folks. I stated in one of my first posts in this forum that MSU QBs usually make great backups, but can't cut the mustard at a starting position. Smoker's stint with the Lions and now Kirk with the Skins pretty much confirms that. Remember when we thought Cousins had some trade potential, then he frittered it away ASAP? The guy is a perennial backup, as is McCoy. Matty is right. A repeat of last season is probable. 6-10 would be very nice considering our schedule. You also have to throw in the fact that our HC isn't really HC material, and our owner is a bona fide moron. Bruce Allen to me is a yes man, and Scotty M seems to be the only one of the bunch that has a real plan and knows what the hell to do.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by hutch17

Best QB on our roster for the current team and system

To me these are 2 distinctly different questions.

The best QB for the team independent of the HC and system is Griffin. I think with a HC that believed in him and a system suited to him this offense could be very good. I think we should run a scheme similar to Philly or Seattle or Miami or NY Jets. In short we should be a run 1st spread zone read based offense.

The best QB for the current system is Colt McCoy. I want to say Kirk because Kirk as more aggressive passer but his turnover ratio is crippling.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To me these are 2 distinctly different questions.

The best QB for the team independent of the HC and system is Griffin. I think with a HC that believed in him and a system suited to him this offense could be very good. I think we should run a scheme similar to Philly or Seattle or Miami or NY Jets. In short we should be a run 1st spread zone read based offense.

The best QB for the current system is Colt McCoy. I want to say Kirk because Kirk as more aggressive passer but his turnover ratio is crippling.

The 2012 version of Griffin isn't coming back. Defensive coordinators have slowed down the dual threat quarterback and multiple injuries have taken away a lot of Robert's athleticism. 49er fans think Colin Kaepernick can go back to 2012 and that isn't happening either, and Kap hasn't lost a step.
Both ruled the world in 2012, till defenses figured them out. Now they both are in the bottom part of the QB class.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

The 2012 version of Griffin isn't coming back. Defensive coordinators have slowed down the dual threat quarterback and multiple injuries have taken away a lot of Robert's athleticism.

Virtually everything in your post is off.

I made no reference to the 2012 offense, none.
I have no idea what you mean by dual threat QB. But over the past 2 seasons defenses have slowed down the spread zone-read offense to the point that it has won 1 SB and been to the last 2. Over the pass 3 seasons Seattle offense has been slowed down to the point of being top 10.
AND more teams are using zone-read now more then ever.
Sure Robert has been banged up but Robert now is still more then capable of running zone-read as well if not better then Foles, Sanchez, Tannehill etc.
And you can see on film Robert running read option full speed in 2013 less then 8 months after knee reconstruction.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To me these are 2 distinctly different questions.

The best QB for the team independent of the HC and system is Griffin. I think with a HC that believed in him and a system suited to him this offense could be very good. I think we should run a scheme similar to Philly or Seattle or Miami or NY Jets. In short we should be a run 1st spread zone read based offense.

The best QB for the current system is Colt McCoy. I want to say Kirk because Kirk as more aggressive passer but his turnover ratio is crippling.

I posed the questions exactly as you read it meaning to separate, best overall and best for our system/coaches,

I think Kirk is the best we have but Colt is best for the system for the same reasons you see.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by hutch17

I posed the questions exactly as you read it meaning to separate, best overall and best for our system/coaches,

I think Kirk is the best we have but Colt is best for the system for the same reasons you see.

Oh, okay no worries wasn't sure if Jay was included as part of the team.

I think Colt is underrated by this fanbase.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To me these are 2 distinctly different questions.

The best QB for the team independent of the HC and system is Griffin. I think with a HC that believed in him and a system suited to him this offense could be very good. I think we should run a scheme similar to Philly or Seattle or Miami or NY Jets. In short we should be a run 1st spread zone read based offense.

The best QB for the current system is Colt McCoy. I want to say Kirk because Kirk as more aggressive passer but his turnover ratio is crippling.

RG3 doesn't want to run an Offense that suits him. Even the few times they ran Read Option last year, he always handed the ball off even where there appeared to be nothing but open space in front of him. His heart just doesn't seem to be into the 2012 version of himself.

And everyone keeps clamoring for bootlegs, which they will run plenty of, but he's not even great at that and it's not ideal to run bootlegs against some Defensive looks. He completed a pass on the sideline on a bootleg in the first pre-season game that was thrown to 2 Receivers in the same area, and he took a massive hit after letting go of the pass. It was a positive play, but he still took a shot, which is far too common.

[30gut]

Some pertinent stats:

Time to throw 2.5 seconds or less:
% of throws under 2.5 seconds/Attempts......Comp%.......Sacks........QB
rating
Rob.............................49%/122 atts.................80......................7.... .....................100
Colt.............................51%/74 atts...................74......................2.. .........................89
Kirk.............................60%/126 atts.................70......................2.... ......................102

Kirk threw more then half his passes in 2.5 or less had the lowest comp% and just edges out Griff in QB rating.
Griff threw about half his passes in less then 2.5 and had the highest comp% second highest rating but took the most sacks.
Colt again threw about half his passes in less then 2.5 had the middle comp% but lowest QB rating.

2.6 seconds or more:
% of throws over 2.6/Attempts Comp% Sacks QB rating
Rob.................51%/92 atts............................53................ ......26.............................66
Colt.................49%/54 atts............................67................ ......15...........................106
Kirk.................40%/78 atts...........................49................. .......6..............................62


3rd + 6

Kirk 13/26--50% comp--4.4 YPA---1 INT--0 rushing--4 sacks--2 fumbles lost--------------46.2 QB rating
Rob 18/34--53% comp--7.5 YPA---3 INT--6 rushes--6.2 YPA---9 sacks--2 fumbles lost--40.6 QB rating
Colt 16/21--76.2% comp--7.7 YPA---0 INT--2 rushes--7.0---6 sacks--2 fumbles lost--97.5 QB rating



3rd - 6

Kirk 16/26--62% comp--6.1 YPA--2 INT--0 TD---3 rushes-2.0 YPA--0 sacks---46.6 QB rating
Rob 13/19--68% comp--6.6 YPA--0 INT--1 TD-5 rushes-3.0 YPA--0 sacks---104.3 QB rating
Colt 7/11--63.6% comp--4.6 YPA--0 INT--0 TD-1 rush--1 sack--0 fumbles--74.4

[Schneed10]

If you have to debate which of your 3 QBs is your best, you don't have a QB.

Say it with me now... it... doesn't... matter.

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you have to debate which of your 3 QBs is your best, you don't have a QB.

Say it with me now... it... doesn't... matter.

Pretty much spot on. None of the above is going to get us to even a whiff of a wild card, much less an above .500 season.

[calia]

I love the Redskins and until RGIII is not identified as our starting QB, I will root for him. I actually like the guy and think he has real ability, although I would agree with the many criticisms about his play since 2012. I would love to see him come roaring back and prove everyone wrong.

Having said all that, if he starts in the Ravens game (as it appears he will) and gets the whole first half to play and shows what we have seen so far (turnovers, failure to slide in the pocket and see open receivers, etc.), I don't know how Gruden can say he's the starter going into the regular season. I realize that the defenses for Cleveland, Detroit, and B-more are stout, but you have to be able to show something in the preseason (and not just in practice) to justify the starting role -- especially if the backups appear to be having greater success (yes, against backups) and command of the offense. Gruden is in a very difficult position here, made easier only if (a) RGIII lights it up this week with a solid performance, or (b) hate to say it, RGIII gets hurt this week. Anything other than these two scenarios will make his next few weeks before the regular season hell (and ours as well).

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If you have to debate which of your 3 QBs is your best, you don't have a QB.

Say it with me now... it... doesn't... matter.

Maybe you are little young to remember the 49ers from 1991-1992 Joe Montana
was on I.R. but many thought he was healthy enough to play more than just the last game of the 1992 season. Steve Young's success starting seemed to delay Montana's return from elbow surgery. Steve Bono had a 5-1 record as a starter when Young was injured. Two guys are in the HOF and Steve Bono had a career 28-14 record as a starter. Do note that was before the salary cap era.