Robert Griffin III ready to turn career around with Redskins in 2015

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

In 2012 he did not have to stand in the pocket. Not sure where the confusion lies? Pocket passer vs read option?

Im not contradicting myself. I dont believe he had pocket presence (you said he had it before). I simply said his inability to play from the pocket was not an issue because he didnt really play from the pocket than. His inability to play from the pocket was masked by the play calling.

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.

I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?

I would like to know where you're coming from.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Of course he had to stand in the pocket. We didn't bootleg every play.



I don't mean in terms of rhetoric. Functionally how can playcalling mask lack of pocket presence? I am asking because the article put out the idea that pocket presence can't be improved. So how did this playcalling magically mask Griffin's lack of pocket presence enough to create to become one of the top offenses in the NFL? What did that playcalling do to mask it?



I would like to know where you're coming from.

Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Ill be as simple as i can.
In 2012 RG-3 was about as far from a pocket passer as an NFL QB can be due to scheme. This masked the fact that he is not a good pocket passer. I was completely unaware this was a secret until now.

So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So you're argument amounts to the 2012 pistol offense masked Griffin's lack of pocket presence because it masked his lack of pocket presence. Okay got it. Thanks.

Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wow. Someone just cant handle the damn truth. Apparently you are the only person in the world who did not realize that the Redskins are trying to make Griff more of a POCKET PASSER and that this requires more of a POCKET PRESENCE/AWARENESS. My God can this be over now?
Edit: there is really nothing to argue as much as you are trying to turn this into one.

Stop.
Don't move the goal posts.

We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Stop.
Don't move the goal posts.

We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.

RG3 didnt really need pocket presence in 2012.

The Shannys did a great job of tailoring an offense to him. The RO, calling pass plays that didnt rely on anticipation and timing, roll outs, having RG3 only read one half of a field (if they asked him to go through reads at all) .. rg3's first reads were almost always open, especially on PA.

2012 was so ... 2012. in 2015, rg3 is what he is.

and RG3 did make it known he didnt want to be a running QB after 2012. Its been pretty much confirmed he wrote on a board what plays he wouldnt run. he said rodgers and manning arent asked to run ... he sd he is a thrower etc ... he sd he would do some RO

i dont know what the argument is.

i hope its not about 2012. that was 3 years ago and that rg3 is never coming back as decided by his injuries and rgII and rgIII.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

RG3 didnt really need pocket presence in 2012.

The Shannys did a great job of tailoring an offense to him. The RO, calling pass plays that didnt rely on anticipation and timing, roll outs, having RG3 only read one half of a field (if they asked him to go through reads at all) .. rg3's first reads were almost always open, especially on PA.

2012 was so ... 2012. in 2015, rg3 is what he is.

and RG3 did make it known he didnt want to be a running QB after 2012. Its been pretty much confirmed he wrote on a board what plays he wouldnt run. he said rodgers and manning arent asked to run ... he sd he is a thrower etc ... he sd he would do some RO

i dont know what the argument is.

i hope its not about 2012. that was 3 years ago and that rg3 is never coming back as decided by his injuries and rgII and rgIII.

Exactly,me neither

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Stop.

Don't move the goal posts.



We were talking about your comment that Griffin lacked pocket presence in 2012.

He did not. He does not. He will not. Your stats about drop back passing in 2012 are skewed. He did not get rushed that much because they still feared the run. They do not anymore.

[Flyer97]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He did not. He does not. He will not. Your stats about drop back passing in 2012 are skewed. He did not get rushed that much because they still feared the run. They do not anymore.

Exactly, he just isn't the same guy anymore. Face it, we need to hope for a miracle for him to get it together just for the sake of him not getting destroyed on the field