Cousins to start 2015 Season

[MTK]

Maybe Gruden failed with RG3, but maybe he succeeded with Cousins? We shall see.

[Skinzman]

The thing with Cousins is he has always had the talent. Not elite talent, but talent nonetheless. Whether he succeeds as a starter to me boils down to one thing. Can he overcome diversity. In the past, he would play well until things didnt go his way, then he moped around like a 10 year old who just had his bike stolen. If he can play every play independent of everything else, then he should be successful. If he lets his prior mistakes be apart of his decision process, he wont.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Maybe Gruden failed with RG3, but maybe he succeeded with Cousins? We shall see.

Cousins is going to catch fire in the middle of the season, u heard it here 1st

[Alvin Walton]

If this season turns into a disaster we will be starting over needing not only a new QB but a new head coach which with my crazy math sets us back three years.

[Hog1]

Both Shanny and JG have alluded if not stated, he cannot be a drop back passer at this time. Thought the available info suggests Robert no longer wanted to be a running QB. For ALL the reasons anyone who has watched Robert/Skins game of late.
It would be difficult if not absurd to put this on Gruden. He may be fired for other sins at a later date, but Robert through injury, lack of Pro style evolution, work/study habits and a ridiculous.....social program has F...d up

[kingj]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Both Shanny and JG have alluded if not stated, he cannot be a drop back passer at this time. Thought the available info suggests Robert no longer wanted to be a running QB. For ALL the reasons anyone who has watched Robert/Skins game of late.

It would be difficult if not absurd to put this on Gruden. He may be fired for other sins at a later date, but Robert through injury, lack of Pro style evolution, work/study habits and a ridiculous.....social program has F...d up

I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.

So there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).

He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by kingj

I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.

So there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).

He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.

Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?

1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.

There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.

So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?

Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.

In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.

Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?

Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.

There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .

Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.

[kingj]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Have you been paying attention to the last two and a half years?



1. RG3 vetoed the read option. 2. He isn't a pocket passer.



There isn't another way to be a QB in the NFL.



So Gruden better succeed with the QB's that he and the current GM inherited or else eh?



Really? That's the standard? He made a choice between RG3, Krik, and Colt.



In a perfect world, Gruden's choice should have been Luck, but since he had to pick from the three QB's we have Kirk is the guy.



Why not be more like the Steelers and build a team and an identity instead. How many coaches have they had in the last 30 years?



Based on reports mclovin and jay have similar philosophies. No idea if this is accurate or media fluff.



There are legit knocks on Gruden. Lack of QB coach. Lack of media savvy. Etc. . .



Not turning a steaming pile of dog crap into a shiny pile of gold isn't a legit criticism.

Is your reading comprehension that bad?

I've said numerous times on this board that rg3 is not a pocket passer. I've said numerous times he would only succeed in a R/O.

Shanahan and others have said Gruden was stubborn and didn't adjust his system to rg3 and that's fine because it's his choice...but with that the pressure is on him to make HIS SYSTEM work with HIS CHOSEN QB.

Next time perhaps you should read exactly what I wrote before responding to what you think you read.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by kingj

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.

I read what you wrote.

There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.

You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.

Click over to the win/loss poll.

What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.

It's a silly ultimatum.

What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?

We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...

[WillH]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there interest in Kirk, but just not at what the Redskins were wanting for him? Weren't they wanting something like a 2nd and a 4th round pick? I could be wrong i just seem to remember people wanting to get Kirk but not at what the Redskins were asking...

I don't think anything better than a 4th was ever offered for him

[kingj]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

He has to win with a guy that generated zero trade interest last off season or a perennial back up or he will get canned.



I read what you wrote.



There are only a dozen articles basically saying the QB of the future isn't on the roster right now.



You're setting an unreasonable standard for the guys we have at QB by expecting immediate success.



Click over to the win/loss poll.



What's bad is we don't have a good option at QB this year.



It's a silly ultimatum.



What is your W/L numbers that would be "results"?



We basically have Kirk and Colt because nobody else wanted them this spring.

Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by kingj

Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.

Yeah, I have to disagree. This team was a train wreck when he got here. The Offensive line is still in development and lack any talented depth, and our secondary is a joke. Scot came in and said it would take several years of drafting and tweaking the roster before this team would be a serious competitor. There is just a serious talent vacuum on this team, and you think Gruden should be let go after 2 seasons with serious issues at QB and a general lack of talent and depth? Why, because the QB he inherited was injury prone, wouldn't run read option, and wouldn't/couldn't learn to be a pocket passer? You either need to explain what we're missing or accept that we think this is a ridiculous assertion.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by kingj

Ok so bottom line you don't feel Gruden is on the hot seat regardless of performance?

If he doesn't get to 7 wins after all the talk he's done himself, then yeah I believe he's gone. I'm not pro-Griffin in case you are reading it that way.

I simply see both Griffin and Gruden not with the organization at start of 2016 season. It's not like Gruden is blameless in this circus. He has made his share of mistakes and this is his 2nd chance with his preferred qb just like last year was Griffin's 2nd chance until injuries, performance and his refusal to run R/O (whether accurate or not) did him in.

I would really like to see some continuity. I think there is some inherent value in not changing up every few years if you have a talented staff.

Gruden's offense in Cincy put up some great numbers over several seasons but he had a certain player type to work with. He had an outstanding offensive line, huge receivers and two big TE's that could catch and block. Look at the stats he put up with Andy Dalton. That type of offensive success in the same division with the Ravens and Steelers is an accomplishment.

I think Gruden has upside. If we are moving to a power blocking line and McLovin's prototypical draft pick is what Gruden has already had success with I don't want to move on too early.

Not that Gruden is Marty Shottenheimer, I just don't want to bring in another Steve Spurrier after two years.

Last year seemed like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. I'm for squaring up the hole and seeing what happens.

As for mistakes, he hasn't repeated the same bone head mistakes he made as a rookie head coach. New QB coach, no delay of game penalties, and has handled the media in the middle of a shit storm ok.

To be clear, unless there is a head coaching candidate that you just can't turn down (if there was, he wouldn't come to Washington anyway), then stay the course.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by kingj

I'm 100% on board with shanny and Gruden belief that RGIII is not a pocket passer. IMO that part is clearly obvious.
there were 2 options for Gruden: develop RG3/run read option or go with traditional pocket passer type (cousins).
So
He made his choice. London was right that Gruden was brought in to develop Griffin. Much was written about this at the time. He decided that he couldn't do it and needed a pocket passer for HIS system.

That's fine, but now it's time to show results or he will get canned. It's the bottom line, really.

Shanny took shots at Gruden for not adapting and working towards robert's strength, R/O. That's fine if he refused but now it's down to he better succeed with cousins/McCoy this year or he's out.

Robert and his father basically refused to be a "running" QB.
AND JG has a $25m fully guaranteed gig for 5 years.....we'll see
BUT, I have no problem with SM kicking' his ass to the curb if he cannot get it done.