Cousins to start 2015 Season

[skinsfan69]

I can only imagine if some of you owned the team. Coaches would be fired at halftime.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I can only imagine if some of you owned the team. Coaches would be fired at halftime.

You know how many players would be cut during games?....rofl

[Schneed10]

A likely scenario was that when both Gruden and McLoughan were hired in each consecutive season, the message from the owner was to make it work with RG3 because of the investment made. At the end of last season there was no reason to anoint Cousins, no reason to anoint McCoy, so it made sense for Gruden and McLoughan to get on board. In fact they probably agreed that his raw talent made him the best of 3 not-so-great options.

They probably figured let's put our resources into Robert. So McLoughan tried to develop talent around him, and Jay committed to him by giving him starter's reps and positively supported him in the media.

But through the offseason Griffin didn't develop, despite the roster investments, and despite getting starter's reps.

At this point Gruden and McLoughan saw it wasn't working, went back to Snyder, and said listen man we have tried and tried. I drafted a lineman 5th overall, we hired a new offensive line coach who coached up Morgan Moses into a capable RT, Jay gave him all the learning opportunity in the offseason. I even gave him the $16M option guaranteed for injury. But you saw the Browns and Lions games, Robert still doesn't get it. Kirk does. And oh by the way, you saw how Robert still gets himself killed against Detroit, if he gets hurt for us we'll owe him $16M next season.

We have to switch.

What's Dan going to say to that? He probably was in favor of anointing Griffin as the starter. After last year there was no reason not to. But things change. No rational person thinks Griffin deserves to be starting after this offseason, preseason, and Kirk's supposed improvement in camp.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

A likely scenario was that when both Gruden and McLoughan were hired in each consecutive season, the message from the owner was to make it work with RG3 because of the investment made. At the end of last season there was no reason to anoint Cousins, no reason to anoint McCoy, so it made sense for Gruden and McLoughan to get on board. In fact they probably agreed that his raw talent made him the best of 3 not-so-great options.

They probably figured let's put our resources into Robert. So McLoughan tried to develop talent around him, and Jay committed to him by giving him starter's reps and positively supported him in the media.

But through the offseason Griffin didn't develop, despite the roster investments, and despite getting starter's reps.

At this point Gruden and McLoughan saw it wasn't working, went back to Snyder, and said listen man we have tried and tried. I drafted a lineman 5th overall, we hired a new offensive line coach who coached up Morgan Moses into a capable RT, Jay gave him all the learning opportunity in the offseason. I even gave him the $16M option guaranteed for injury. But you saw the Browns and Lions games, Robert still doesn't get it. Kirk does. And oh by the way, you saw how Robert still gets himself killed against Detroit, if he gets hurt for us we'll owe him $16M next season.

We have to switch.

What's Dan going to say to that? He probably was in favor of anointing Griffin as the starter. After last year there was no reason not to. But things change. No rational person thinks Griffin deserves to be starting after this offseason, preseason, and Kirk's supposed improvement in camp.

That is the real mystery here. Has he really jumped the learning curve or are they just so sick of Robert that anyone will do at this point who has not been in a Subway commercial.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is the real mystery here. Has he really jumped the learning curve or are they just so sick of Robert that anyone will do at this point who has not been in a Subway commercial.

And to some extent you can't really go by what you see in camp, you have to decide more based on game action. Robert was said to be making improvements through OTAs but the bullets started flying in preseason and it looked like same old same old.

Kirk may have made a leap, but we won't really know until the season gets going. I still expect him to throw a lot of picks. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't. I can see with my eyes that he has great mastery of the offense, he hits the top of the drop and the ball comes out aggressively. If he does cut down the picks that will mean we're playing some winning football, and that will make Gruden look like a genius.

But who knows what Kirk will do. All we do know for sure is that Robert still looks like shit. He hesitates, doesn't know where to go with the ball, can't read things fast enough, and gets himself demolished.

The way I see it, starting Robert means we're guaranteed to suck. Kirk at least gives you half a chance.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

And to some extent you can't really go by what you see in camp, you have to decide more based on game action. Robert was said to be making improvements through OTAs but the bullets started flying in preseason and it looked like same old same old.

Kirk may have made a leap, but we won't really know until the season gets going. I still expect him to throw a lot of picks. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he doesn't. I can see with my eyes that he has great mastery of the offense, he hits the top of the drop and the ball comes out aggressively. If he does cut down the picks that will mean we're playing some winning football, and that will make Gruden look like a genius.

But who knows what Kirk will do. All we do know for sure is that Robert still looks like shit. He hesitates, doesn't know where to go with the ball, can't read things fast enough, and gets himself demolished.

The way I see it, starting Robert means we're guaranteed to suck. Kirk at least gives you half a chance.

Agree x1000

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is the real mystery here. Has he really jumped the learning curve or are they just so sick of Robert that anyone will do at this point who has not been in a Subway commercial.

Well you heard Gruden say that he took a big leap going from year one to two. Apparently they were going to let KC play with the first team offense (in Baltimore) whether Griffin was healthy or not. I just think it came down to he just beat out Griffin. And I think McCoy has also beat out Griffin. He is the 3rd best QB on the roster. Tough for people to admit but it's true.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

A likely scenario was that when both Gruden and McLoughan were hired in each consecutive season, the message from the owner was to make it work with RG3 because of the investment made. At the end of last season there was no reason to anoint Cousins, no reason to anoint McCoy, so it made sense for Gruden and McLoughan to get on board. In fact they probably agreed that his raw talent made him the best of 3 not-so-great options.



They probably figured let's put our resources into Robert. So McLoughan tried to develop talent around him, and Jay committed to him by giving him starter's reps and positively supported him in the media.



But through the offseason Griffin didn't develop, despite the roster investments, and despite getting starter's reps.



At this point Gruden and McLoughan saw it wasn't working, went back to Snyder, and said listen man we have tried and tried. I drafted a lineman 5th overall, we hired a new offensive line coach who coached up Morgan Moses into a capable RT, Jay gave him all the learning opportunity in the offseason. I even gave him the $16M option guaranteed for injury. But you saw the Browns and Lions games, Robert still doesn't get it. Kirk does. And oh by the way, you saw how Robert still gets himself killed against Detroit, if he gets hurt for us we'll owe him $16M next season.



We have to switch.



What's Dan going to say to that? He probably was in favor of anointing Griffin as the starter. After last year there was no reason not to. But things change. No rational person thinks Griffin deserves to be starting after this offseason, preseason, and Kirk's supposed improvement in camp.

Yeah I think this nails it.

And any of Dan's "resistance" was likely more about what to do with him now.

[Schneed10]

It doesn't have to be some crazy conspiracy. Things just change, and people come around to changing their minds.

[scowan]

Let's face it guys, the Redskins have been a desparate team for 2 decades. Desparate teams have to take gambles to get better. Functional teams like the Patriots do not. So they gambled in 2012, and we all thought it was worth it after the season, EVEN with RGiii's injury I would say, because they made it to the playoffs. But now that we have found out RGiii is made of glass, and can't make quick decisions to protect himself, the honeymoon is over. "He can't be a moble QB or he will get hurt" that's what everyone said. Then in the Detroit game he gets hurt FROM INSIDE the POCKET. So basically he just gets hurt. Heck, in the Jacksonville game last year he got hurt just running. Kirk is probably not the answer, but you have 52 other guys on this team that want to win now, and Kirk gives them a better chance to do that than RGiii. I'm and RGiii fan, but I guess I'm really and RGiii 2012 fan. IF they are not going to run read-option, then he is not the QB for them.

[KI Skins Fan]

Someone posted that Robert's father contacted Stephen A. Smith to offer his version of RGIII's benching. I wonder if they are off somewhere cooking up a story intended to embarrass the Redskins organization? If so, this mess could get worse before it gets better.

I'm also wondering if RGIII's camp will try to force the Redskins to release him, if necessary.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Someone posted that Robert's father contacted Stephen A. Smith to offer his version of RGIII's benching. I wonder if they are off somewhere cooking up a story intended to embarrass the Redskins organization? If so, this mess could get worse before it gets better.

I'm also wondering if RGIII's camp will try to force the Redskins to release him, if necessary.

I hope they don't have to force the Redskins to release him. Just get the concussion evaluation done and let him go.

[redskinsfan1980]

I'm glad this happen. I just don't like how the coaches handled it. It should have been an open competition from the beginning. That way would could have avoided the circus we have going on now.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

I'm glad this happen. I just don't like how the coaches handled it. It should have been an open competition from the beginning. That way would could have avoided the circus we have going on now.

An open competition would have created it's own circus and drama.

http://realredskins.com/2015/09/02/n...k-competition/

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

An open competition would have created it's own circus and drama.

Need to Know: Why didn’t the Redskins have a quarterback competition? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

McCloughan has done a lot to stop the drama, unfortunately the fans and the media (specially the local media) are bent on keeping the drama up.

I was listening to the Football Today podcast a few days ago, they were talking the Bills releasing Fred Jackson and saying that the team wanted to release him earlier in the offseason, but ownership stopped that. I laughed when I heard b/c some people here swear we're the only team with problems.