Cousins to start 2015 Season

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know

Are the Bills and Chiefs rumors true? Are we also looking at bringing back Daniels?

[v8-7]

If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by v8-7

If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?

Well they can't release him until cleared, and if they do they'd be-I believe-off the hook if another team claims him

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by v8-7

If Griffin hasn't been cleared to play yet, and the Skins release him, aren't they potentially on the hook for this years salary and next years $16M ?

edit: Smoot's already on this it seems. Pretty much what he said.

[30gut]

No doubt the 5th year option injury clause is an issue.

I don't think it can be assumed that Scott is all hung-ho to get Griffin off the team and Snyder is alone in wanting him on the team.

Scott inherited both Gruden and Griffin. I'm sure at this point its clear that Griffin isn't the best QB on this team to run J's offense and also clear that J isn't keen on catering his offense or continuing to develop Griffin.

But, I'm sure Scott is also evaluating J. Maybe J will prove to be right and Kirk makes a leap from last year when he wasn't able to hold on to the job. Kirk stepping up is what is best for the franchise.

But what if J's wrong? And Kirk can't hold it down?

Then Scott would have shipped off Griffin only to watch plan A fail. I'm guessing the idea behind keeping Griffin is similar to the reason Kirk was drafted in the 1st place. To hedge. Now, I'm not sure how the mechanics/logistics work out keeping Griffin on the team but I bet that is where the thought process is on the members of the FO that want to keep Griffin.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

No doubt the 5th year option injury clause is an issue.

I don't think it can be assumed that Scott is all hung-ho to get Griffin off the team and Snyder is alone in wanting him on the team.

Scott inherited both Gruden and Griffin. I'm sure at this point its clear that Griffin isn't the best QB on this team to run J's offense and also clear that J isn't keen on catering his offense or continuing to develop Griffin.

But, I'm sure Scott is also evaluating J. Maybe J will prove to be right and Kirk makes a leap from last year when he wasn't able to hold on to the job. Kirk stepping up is what is best for the franchise.

But what if J's wrong? And Kirk can't hold it down?

Then Scott would have shipped off Griffin only to watch plan A fail. I'm guessing the idea behind keeping Griffin is similar to the reason Kirk was drafted in the 1st place. To hedge. Now, I'm not sure how the mechanics/logistics work out keeping Griffin on the team but I bet that is where the thought process is on the members of the FO that want to keep Griffin.

I agree that Gruden is being evaluated but I believe SM has already evaluated Griffin. Moving to Cousins takes Grudens excuse away.

If Cousins and Gruden don't succeed, I believe we aren't going back to Griffin but instead looking to next year's draft. SM inherited all these guys and he has been giving each one some rope. We will see if any of these guys know how to use it to survive and not make a noose.

Sent from my S6 Edge

[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree that Gruden is being evaluated but I believe SM has already evaluated Griffin. Moving to Cousins takes Grudens excuse away.

I agree that Scott has evaluated Griffin in this current system, in J's system. But, Scott has also witnessed one of his QBs struggle in one system, yet flourish in other. Who knows? *shrugs* all the leaks point to Griffin being gone. But, for me I can see a reason to keep him around.

If Cousins and Gruden don't succeed, I believe we aren't going back to Griffin but instead looking to next year's draft. SM inherited all these guys and he has been giving each one some rope. We will see if any of these guys know how to use it to survive and not make a noose.

You're probably right that if Kirk doesn't succeed its back to the drawing board.....again. I really, really don't want to be there again. That's why I think J missed a real opportunity to buy himself time by drafting a QB this year. At least if these QBs fail he could look to a rook instead of Colt McCoy (who I like btw) as the QB of the future. That way there would at least be a reason not to dump him. But there is no way he fails with these QBs and gets to choose another, like you said it will be another HC. I would rather start again with Griffin then any of the prospects coming out next year. If you look at raw talent you aren't gonna get any better then Griff.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I agree that Scott has evaluated Griffin in this current system, in J's system. But, Scott has also witnessed one of his QBs struggle in one system, yet flourish in other. Who knows? *shrugs* all the leaks point to Griffin being gone. But, for me I can see a reason to keep him around.

You're probably right that if Kirk doesn't succeed its back to the drawing board.....again. I really, really don't want to be there again. That's why I think J missed a real opportunity to buy himself time by drafting a QB this year. At least if these QBs fail he could look to a rook instead of Colt McCoy (who I like btw) as the QB of the future. That way there would at least be a reason not to dump him. But there is no way he fails with these QBs and gets to choose another, like you said it will be another HC. I would rather start again with Griffin then any of the prospects coming out next year. If you look at raw talent you aren't gonna get any better then Griff.

But the logic makes no sense to me. SM came in. He had HC1 and QB1 QB2 QB3. He had a weak oline and a weak dline. SM came in and used the draft to strengthen the team overall and said (to himself most likely) lets see who I keep. If this season hc1 fails he is bringing in a new hc and that new hc will get a chance to pick his qb in the draft to develop, unless of course the hc says he wants to keep any of the 3 qbs. And no hc prospect is going to keep a qb that comes with 4 seasons of QB1s drama.

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[30gut]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But the logic makes no sense to me.

Which part?

...If this season hc1 fails he is bringing in a new hc and that new hc will get a chance to pick his qb in the draft to develop, unless of course the hc says he wants to keep any of the 3 qbs. And no hc prospect is going to keep a qb that comes with 4 seasons of QB1s drama.

IF J fails with Kirk and Griffin isn't traded away the new HC could decide to keep Griffin and also draft their QB of the future. A similar scenario happened with 49ers w/ Alex Smith. They hired Harbaugh who kept Smith. He developed Smith,who had failed to develop/produce with the previous HCs, into a solid starting QB to the point where they had winning season and were able to trade him for value. During that same period that HC drafted and developed his QB of the future in Kaep.

The best thing for the franchise right now is for J and Kirk to succeed. But if they succeed having a Harbaugh-Alex Smith type of situaion is imo the next best outcome. Pat Shurmur, Darrell Bevel or Tom Clememnts might decide to develop Griffin while also drafting 'their' QB of the future.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

That's why I think J missed a real opportunity to buy himself time by drafting a QB this year.

How do you know it was Gruden's decision?

Everything I've read indicates McLovin was making the picks with input (only he knows how much) from coaches.

BTW, I'm completely fine with that. Coaches coach and GMs draft.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

How do you know it was Gruden's decision?

Everything I've read indicates McLovin was making the picks with input (only he knows how much) from coaches.

BTW, I'm completely fine with that. Coaches coach and GMs draft.

J is the person that stands (stood) to benefit by drafting a QB this year. I don't know if it was J's decision or Scott's and I didn't intend to make my argument based on who made the decision. And like you said Scott had input from the coaches. My point was that IF a QB had been selected it would offer a reason to keep Jay IF the current QBs fail. And as it stands now I would bet that if J fails with Kirk an inseason or certainly an end of the season firing is on the table. And if say there was a light at the end of the tunnel provided by a developmental QB then Jay would have a greater chance of returning IF the QBs fail

[That Guy]

it's probably more along the lines of the GM wants to get value if he can, even if it's just a 7th round pick or just 3m in cap space via a trade. I'm pretty sure he'd be looking for a new QB in the draft if this experiment doesn't work out.

[Chico23231]

We all agree it's been determined rg3 is not the future, so there is no way we ever want him to see the field bc of the risk of 16 mil injury possibility.

We all agree we don't rg3 to sabotage 16 million of cap space?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

We all agree it's been determined rg3 is not the future, so there is no way we ever want him to see the field bc of the risk of 16 mil injury possibility.

We all agree we don't rg3 to sabotage 16 million of cap space?

It seems many fans along with J are of the mindset you express above.

The flip side, which I'm sure is hard for you to see, is that while Griff isn't a fit for J that doesn't mean he's not a fit in another offense. And IF that is true then it would be a mistake to get rid of Griffin IF J (the reason Griff is gone) fails.

By keeping Griffin the team hedges against a J-Kirk failure.

The 5th year option is still an issue but outside of the money (which can be massaged) getting rid of Griff doesn't bring any gain on the football field.

[JGR81]

Originally Posted by 30gut

It seems many fans along with J are of the mindset you express above.

The flip side, which I'm sure is hard for you to see, is that while Griff isn't a fit for J that doesn't mean he's not a fit in another offense. And IF that is true then it would be a mistake to get rid of Griffin IF J (the reason Griff is gone) fails.

By keeping Griffin the team hedges against a J-Kirk failure.

The 5th year option is still an issue but outside of the money (which can be massaged) getting rid of Griff doesn't bring any gain on the football field.

But getting rid of Griff would keep Cousins from looking over his shoulder and remove a message that perhaps the organization lacks confidence in Kirk?

BTW does anyone else think the reason they kept Griffin is that they think that Jerrah Jones might pick Griff up if he was cut....sounds like a Jerry Jones move and Jones would enjoy sticking it to Snyder if he somehow managed to turn RGIII into a good QB!!! And after all who do the Cowboys have as a backup and successor to Romo---Weeden certainly is not their answer! Just a thought!