Cousins to start 2015 Season

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Here is the whole piece.



https://grantland.com/the-triangle/n...llar-dwellers/

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I just don't look at any of our OBs with burgundy colored glassed. This year seems to me to be heading alot like the Beck/Grossman year. When I hear guys like Gruden say we have three great Qbs to me it sounds like we don'e have one on the roster at all(cliche). Gruden even tried to down play that cliche in one of his pressers.

When RG III failed to look any better in the preseason than he did last year I lost most of the hope I had for a successful season.

Yeah I am a little salty on the skins at this point. I love this team and I am not jumping ship.

[Paintrain]

My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

We all "hope" we are wrong, but I agree.


kingj

"I'm past the whole RGIII in dc working idea. However, I am also done with Gruden. He doesn't seem like he has any clue and frankly a guy who is stubborn about his system and doesn't adjust to his players strengths is not a good coach IMO. That is the origins of "coaching."

When personnel extraordinaire shanarat criticizes you for not adjusting to your players' strengths...well...you aren't that good."

You are 100% right. The system should be adapted for your players strengths. If you are failing to do that then you are not a good coach. Its like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. The coach is being stubborn to a point of hurting everyone.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

I think you have a reasonable assessment of Cousins but I do think if projects out this year with those numbers that we are at 5 or 6 wins for sure. At 6 wins, I'm optimistic, 7 wins or more this year and I'm excited about 2016..

Sunday is going be a good bellwether. The Dolphins have a better team this year but have some weaknesses. If we are competitive and are within 4 points, I think that gives us some positive momentum moving on into the season. I'm a Dolphins fan as well as a Skins fan, so honestly I'll be happy either way but the numbnuts on the Dolphins forums are calling for blowout wins. This team has question marks but I think we are poised to start turning this thing around this year.

I don't think Cousins is fools gold though. He has the tools to be competitive in the league and should be a starter in 2016 whether it's in Landover or elsewhere. As I've said before, interceptions aren't the primary metric that I will judge him by. If he throws 25-30 Ints this year but plays well otherwise, then I want him back as the starter in 2016.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

I didnt even put that together based on the post you quoted. That went right over my head. My bad...

But yeah, Kirks strength has been that he has moved the offense fairly good. His weaknesses has been turnovers and how he handles adversity.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

It was actually an indictment of our overall QB group. Yes, he should throw for more than 3,200 if he plays all 16 games but with the 'dedication to the run' he may not be slinging the rock as much as last year. He's just as capable of putting up a 300 yard game as a 140 yard stinker.

His numbers are actually rather irrelevant, hell Griffin put up average numbers in 2013. The problem is when the numbers are hollow, which I expect most of them to be.

I'll happily be wrong about Cousins but everything I've seen from him shouts mediocre. He will make the occasional big play but I haven't seen anything from him (college or pro) that leads me to believe that he's going to develop into the type of QB that be a consistent winner and will lead a franchise.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

I agree. He was on pace for 5000 yards 31 TD and 27 INT last year. If he does that the year. With a good running game. It could mean 7-9 wins

[kingj]

I'm past the whole RGIII in dc working idea. However, I am also done with Gruden. He doesn't seem like he has any clue and frankly a guy who is stubborn about his system and doesn't adjust to his players strengths is not a good coach IMO. That is the origins of "coaching."

When personnel extraordinaire shanarat criticizes you for not adjusting to your players' strengths...well...you aren't that good.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...His talent in this system isn't worth the distraction quite honesty.

So ultimately Griffin being off this team makes it a better team in the locker room and from a PR standpoint. From a "on the field" standpoint, it really doesn't affect us whether he's on the squad or off of it. All this is purely disregarding the 16 mil as well.

I have no doubt that Griffin casts a large shadow over Cousins and Jay.

But removing Griffin from the equation doesn't decrease the need for Kirk and J to produce. They need to produce regardless of the "distraction" Griffin causes. And removing Griffin only removes part of the distraction, Jay and the Redskins as whole create plenty of distraction all on their own. For me removing Griffin from the team just removes Griffin as a fallback option, it moves a safety net. If I'm Scott I can definitely see the value in hedging on Jay's all in push with Kirk by hanging on to Griffin.

I wanted to keep the 16 mil separate because it certainly in and of itself is valid reason for Griffin to be off the team. But, I'm guessing that if the team approached Griffin to alter/rescind/restructure the option/contract to stay on the team I bet he would be open to it. If he's not then, Vaya con Dios.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I have no doubt that Griffin casts a large shadow over Cousins and Jay.

But removing Griffin from the equation doesn't decrease the need for Kirk and J to produce. They need to produce regardless of the "distraction" Griffin causes. And removing Griffin only removes part of the distraction, Jay and the Redskins as whole create plenty of distraction all on their own. For me removing Griffin from the team just removes Griffin as a fallback option, it moves a safety net. If I'm Scott I can definitely see the value in hedging on Jay's all in push with Kirk by hanging on to Griffin.

I wanted to keep the 16 mil separate because it certainly in and of itself is valid reason for Griffin to be off the team. But, I'm guessing that if the team approached Griffin to alter/rescind/restructure the option/contract to stay on the team I bet he would be open to it. If he's not then, Vaya con Dios.

Can I ask why you think Griffin would be open to altering the 5th year option? Cooley in his radio show said he wouldn't if it was him.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Can I ask why you think Griffin would be open to altering the 5th year option? Cooley in his radio show said he wouldn't if it was him.

Realistically RG3 is going to have to do a new contract one way or the other. Whether it's here or somewhere else.