Cousins to start 2015 Season

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Jol, "Exactly" as if your post had anything at all to do with the point of my post. The overriding theme in this thread is that responding to a post only needs to be incidentally remotely related to the actual post..

No. The over-riding theme of this thread is your consistent attempt to deflect legitimate, relevant points by asserting they are unresponsive.

Your original assertion was that (1) the RGIII run R/O offense was the best thing about Shanny's team; (2) Shanny was blaming his failure on RGIII and essentially getting away with it.

DYJ's point, which was obvious to everyone else but you, was that - yes, you are correct. RGIII was successful in Shanny's Read Option offense. In fact, it was the ONLY offense in which RGIII - who you assert is a viable fall back option at the QB position - has been successful. Since that's the case, in order to develop or otherwise keep RGIII a viable option, we should hire the designer of that offense, K. Shanahan and get personnel to fit the design. Or ... we could stay with the current SM plan of big burly guys and a more traditional offense - for which RGIII has never shown an aptitude.

DYJ just forgot to turn on his sarcasm fault.

DYJ even agreed that Shanny needed to go and, oh by the way, is gone. Further, that everyone, Shanahan, RGIII, and Dan were to blame for the fiasco that was 2013. You, however, appear to excuse the RGIII of any fault. Implying instead that he was a good little soldier who would do as told ("He played the RO in 2013; Of course after an injury he was gun shy"). So to be clear, Shanny had plenty to be held accountable for in 2013; we all agree on that. Contrary to your prior assertion, it does not appear anyone on this board is buying his "blame it all on RGIII and DS" routine.

By the way, facts do matter to others, but, apparently, not to you:
- Many on and off the field factors caused the failures of 2013 and their was plenty of blame to go around - including RGIII;
- RGIII has never shown any aptitude for any offense other than MS/KS's read option;
- RGIII has suffered more injuries and missed more games than any other "breakout" QB from 2012 (Luck, Wilson, Kapernick - how many games have they missed? Combined?);
- The only offense RGIII succeeded in is built on a premise completely different from that which SM is attempting to build and one for which he has not shown an aptitude and in which he has shown any growth.

Originally Posted by 30gut

But kudos, almost Mike Shanahan level of topic shifting.

No. He did not topic shift. He addressed specific points you raised, and highlighted flaws in your over arching premise (RGIII a viable fall-back option) by adoption and application of your argument regarding the appropriate blame to leveled at Shanahan.

Again, you either intentionally or unintentionally fail to recognize and acknowledge relevant, responsive points. If the former, well then you are an obtuse troll. If the later, a little consideration for the fact that we may actually be able to grasp your brilliance would be appreciated.

[JoeRedskin]

I would suggest few in NFL circles buy the Shanahan "No-Fault" narrative. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that, to anyone outside looking in, there was plenty of blame to spread around. From Shanahan to Griffin to Snyder.

Pretty sure Shanny would be coaching again today if he had successfully sold the no-fault narrative you describe.

[Hog1]

It's STILL not to late to re-start the.................hate fest, right?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Hog1

It's STILL not to late to re-start the.................hate fest, right?

Lol, no need to re-start, it never ends! Just keep it going.

[DYoungJelly]

RGIII listens to RGII. He is basically and NFL dance mom. Dan listens(ed) to RGIII.

I don't know what to say regarding the certainty of injury. I really don't.

Mike Shanahan was fired almost two years ago. RGIII is still on the roster.

[OnceWeWereKings]

It's hilarious watching 30 argue a point that he agreed with. Dude is clown shoes.

[KI Skins Fan]

^ He's hopeless, Joe. I simply put him on my ignore list.

[JoeRedskin]

Well, that's just the thing. He does, at times, raise legitimate, interesting points that could form the basis for a good discussion. [Yes, I disagree that, at this stage, for where this team is going, RGIII is a legitimate fall back option. However, I get the "let's keep him in case the JG/KC experiment fails" argument. I actually bought into it until his latest off-the-field drama, injury and apparent on-field issues.]

It's just that, in order to set the boundaries of a discussion, he generally asks a loaded question which requires anyone replying to it to accept his premise in order to respond to it. Thus, rather than a real discussion, it becomes an exercise in "See how right my unassailable premise is." Those who disagree with the premise and phrase a response that incorporates the disagreement are simply dismissed as "unresponsive." It really is just a rhetorical gadget play because, technically, those who disagree with the premise can't respond to the specific question.

It's a cross-examination technique that can be a very persuasive rhetorical technique IF you lay the proper foundation such that you get everyone to agree with the question's underlying premise [b/c then there is only one "right" answer]. He never does that, and, in fact, I suspect knows folks don't agree with the premise so he skips the first part intentionally and then claims the rhetorical high ground by asserting others are unresponsive. It's just intellectually lazy and insulting to those trying to actually discuss competing viewpoints and opinions.

It's the damn internet - not a scholarly debate. A little recognition that most responses are relatively stream of conscience so slack needs to be cut and an open mind needs to be kept. Otherwise its all mental masturbation and Big Man On Internet bull crap.

If he spent less time being pedantic and dismissive of others and more time actually looking for and acknowledging points of agreement, he actually could add to the discussion rather than just attempt to prove himself correct through rhetorical sleight of hand.

He isn't quite at Goat levels of obnoxiousness yet (Still the only guy I have ever put on ignore). Getting there, but not yet. There is still hope.

Hey, if punch could come around, anyone can -

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, that's just the thing. He does, at times, raise legitimate, interesting points that could form the basis for a good discussion. [Yes, I disagree that, at this stage, for where this team is going, RGIII is a legitimate fall back option. However, I get the "let's keep him in case the JG/KC experiment fails" argument. I actually bought into it until his latest off-the-field drama, injury and apparent on-field issues.]

It's just that, in order to set the boundaries of a discussion, he generally asks a loaded question which requires anyone replying to it to accept his premise in order to respond to it. Thus, rather than a real discussion, it becomes an exercise in "See how right my unassailable premise is." Those who disagree with the premise and phrase a response that incorporates the disagreement are simply dismissed as "unresponsive." It really is just a rhetorical gadget play because, technically, those who disagree with the premise can't respond to the specific question

It's a cross-examination technique that can be a very persuasive rhetorical technique IF you lay the proper foundation such that you get everyone to agree with the question's underlying premise [b/c then there is only one "right" answer]. He never does that, and, in fact, I suspect knows folks don't agree with the premise so he skips the first part intentionally and then claims the rhetorical high ground by asserting others are unresponsive. It's just intellectually lazy and insulting to those trying to actually discuss competing viewpoints and opinions.

It's the damn internet - not a scholarly debate. A little recognition that most responses are relatively stream of conscience so slack needs to be cut and an open mind needs to be kept. Otherwise its all mental masturbation and Big Man On Internet bull crap.

If he spent less time being pedantic and dismissive of others and more time actually looking for and acknowledging points of agreement, he actually could add to the discussion rather than just attempt to prove himself correct through rhetorical sleight of hand.

He isn't quite at Goat levels of obnoxiousness yet (Still the only guy I have ever put on ignore). Getting there, but not yet. There is still hope.

Hey, if punch could come around, anyone can -

Love this post, right on JoeR!

By the way, was "stream of conscience" a Freudian slip?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

... was "stream of conscience" a Freudian slip?

No. I'm a lawyer. I have no conscience which to stream.

[Ruhskins]

Oh man, two Goat references in the same week? LOL.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Oh man, two Goat references in the same week? LOL.

... and his buddy, the big-oil, Denver Broncos insider who kept Goat so well informed.

[OnceWeWereKings]

I think he's a sociopath. Or at the very least has narcissistic personality disorder.
Or he's just clown shoes.

[Schneed10]

30 honestly I've started to completely ignore your posts because they get to the point where they're arguing whether someone else made a valid point that addresses the very specific point you want addressed, and less and less real discussion on football.

The only reason I know that you're even being a pain in the ass is because I've read JR's posts here.

People will begin to ignore you if reading your stuff gets to the point where it's not worth it. I like to read posts about the Redskins, not a bunch of drivel as to whether you think someone is arguing a point you think is valid. You're on the road to irrelevance.

[That Guy]

so, uh... how about that cousins guy? should be pretty interesting to see how he does on sunday. thoughts?