Plusses and Minuses vs. Ravens

[That Guy]

griffin has looked terrible, and i'm tired of excuses. that was the original point referring specifically to you once again stating that griffin would have been crucified for that throw/hit, pointing out how kirk's stat would have looked at their worst (griffin could have played longer, but, oh yeah, he gets hurt). RGIII is not a victim of cosmic circumstance, he's a player that's having trouble doing the basic things required to be successful.

you should also stop referring to questions as rhetorical when they aren't. that's the 2nd time you've done that in 3 posts. for the record his sack rate is higher than the other QBs this year and last year, he got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by That Guy

griffin has looked terrible, and i'm tired of excuses. that was the original point referring specifically to you once again stating that griffin would have been crucified for that throw/hit, pointing out how kirk's stat would have looked at their worst (griffin could have played longer, but, oh yeah, he gets hurt). RGIII is not a victim of cosmic circumstance, he's a player that's having trouble doing the basic things required to be successful.

you should also stop referring to questions as rhetorical when they aren't. that's the 2nd time you've done that in 3 posts. for the record his sack rate is higher than the other QBs this year and last year, he got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

I tend to agree more with you on this debate, but, those questions do seem rhetorical. You weren't really asking for the answer, you knew the answer already, you were asking them to make a point. It was part of your rhetoric.

Unless, did you not know the answer to those questions? See, that was not rhetorical because I honestly don't know the answer, so I am asking, not just trying to make a point.

How long are you two going to fight about this anyway? That was a rhetorical question, because I don't want an answer, I'm just making a point.

The more you know . . .

[30gut]

If you had said Griffin has a higher sack rate then Cousins, (which you didn't) I would have agreed and like I told you already that would be very, very old news.

Originally Posted by That Guy

. got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

Lol, how are you gonna quantify Griffin getting hit more? Do you personally chart individual QB hits? Lol. So your 'he got hit more' is not a fact its an opinion.

Lol, oh but you were really referring to Kirk, which you didn't type but i should know but it doesn't fit my narrative? Lol, dude have some accountability for what you type.

This is pretty much what I predicted:

Originally Posted by 30gut

First why don't you start off by discussing something you can actually account for like sacks (as opposed to hits aren't recorded by QB). So again a key point you keep repeating is that the sack rate vs Griffin and the other QBs. But, and I'm sure you'll move the goal post here, but Griffin and Colt have about the same sack rate. So you wrong when it comes to Colt right off the bat.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by 30gut

If you had said Griffin has a higher sack rate then Cousins, (which you didn't) I would have agreed and like I told you already that would be very, very old news.

Lol, how are you gonna quantify Griffin getting hit more? Do you personally chart individual QB hits? Lol. So your 'he got hit more' is not a fact its an opinion.

Lol, oh but you were really referring to Kirk, which you didn't type but i should know but it doesn't fit my narrative? Lol, dude have some accountability for what you type.

This is pretty much what I predicted:

either you're being purposefully obtuse or you need things spelled out.

griffin has issues and we shouldn't be making excuses in his 4th year after seeing what we've seen. that's the point. the hits/sacks/injuries are a symptom of his lack of pocket presence, and used as an example, which you've gone off on a tirade/tangent about, but that's just deflecting from the main point, which you either missed completely or chose to ignore.

why would i be referring to colt when he's not the one starting? and by the way, his sack rate was still lower, so you're still wrong even if you want to go with that convenient colt/bob comparison. if you think 15% difference is "basically the same" i'd love to sell you my car for 15% over what it's actually worth. and congrats on predicting that i'd call you out on trying to make a strawman by using the worst possible comparison and still being wrong. do you want a cookie?

seriously.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

either you're being purposefully obtuse or you need things spelled out

seriously.

Lol, seriously......obtuse. Yeah, that's it. When all else fails get personal huh? Sweet.

Your posts are rhetorical questions that are psuedo responses with no attempt made at addressing the actual posts to which you respond. You say/type one thing then lol start whining that you really meant this other thing that I should know. C'mon really who does that.

And for the final time the point you were trying to make (after many shifts/switches/swaps) is patently obvious and has been stated by others, myself included in far more detail with far more accuracy. News flash Kirk has a lower sack rate then Griffin.

Your 'that guy', lol.

Now that you finally finished your profound revaltion are you gonna respond to anything else in my post?

Proly not huh?
Cheers, you're the best...lol...'that guy'

[That Guy]

i'm sorry it took me spelling it out 3 different times for you to agree to what has been blatantly obvious to everyone else. I responded to your passive apologizing towards RGIII, i'm sorry that hurts you personally. my only real point (yet again) is that it's time for RGIII to be accountable (ie put up or shut up, the sack %s etc is just evidence in support of that, which you still continue to mistake as the main point for some reason). again, i'm sorry you missed that and felt the need to drag this thread down with tangential deflection and your passive agreesive crap.

there is no revelation, there is nothing profound, the goal posts never moved. again, it's always been a message about accountability and nothing else. you're really making this a much bigger deal than it actually is.

even now you're trying to minimize, well congrats bro.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by That Guy

...I responded to your passive apologizing towards RGIII, i'm sorry that hurts you personally.

Suuuure. But we'll get back to this.

my only real point (yet again) is that it's time for RGIII to be accountable (ie put up or shut up, the sack %s etc is just evidence in support of that, which you still continue to mistake as the main point for some reason). again, i'm sorry you missed that and felt the need to drag this thread down with tangential deflection and your passive agreesive crap.

I'm sorry you have such great struggles making and sticking to your point and chose to ramble around with rhetorical questions before shifting, swapping and swerving to a point which still had nothing to do with the post you responded to.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by That Guy

griffin has looked terrible, and i'm tired of excuses. that was the original point referring specifically to you once again stating that griffin would have been crucified for that throw/hit, pointing out how kirk's stat would have looked at their worst (griffin could have played longer, but, oh yeah, he gets hurt). RGIII is not a victim of cosmic circumstance, he's a player that's having trouble doing the basic things required to be successful.

you should also stop referring to questions as rhetorical when they aren't. that's the 2nd time you've done that in 3 posts. for the record his sack rate is higher than the other QBs this year and last year, he got hit more, he's gotten hurt more. those are all facts, so i'm actually not wrong. 15.4% >> 13.2%, but i was really referring to kirk (3.9%), and i'm sure you know that, but it doesn't fit your narrative as well.

Exactly, Joe Theismann is really good at pointing out the little things a QB can do to avoid sacks, buy time and minimize the physical trauma of contact when it isn't avoidable. You would think he was directly speaking to RG3.
As for doing those little things RG3 gets an F. RG3 could have the Hogs blocking for him and he would find ways to repeatedly get himself killed. The way he contorts his body when scrambling or running leaves him overly vulnerable to injury. One has to believe these things have been pointed out
to him repeatedly yet we see no changes. In this case it appears you can't
teach an old dog new tricks, even if the dog is human and only 25.