NFL Training Camp thread!

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

im so sick of this crap...can we just move on already? media loves to fan this bullshit, im just ready for some football and just quit with this patriots drama.

I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.

The ironic part is that this is probably the cleanest the game has ever been played..

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.

I completely agree with you about hiding it. I think it is just like bounty gate, which was dumb too. Just people finding out what the NFL is actually like. Same thing about domestic abuse/alcohol/drug abuse and all the "new" cases.

I also think it is hilarious that the NFL/ESPN decided to release all this information after the deflategate news.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

I think it is much ado about nothing. Pretty sure there has been many a football
played with in the NFL outside of the limits. Teams have tried to spy on each other in the NFL since 1920. Kind of like when colleges get caught gifting things to players and doctoring grades, everyone freaks out and is shocked. News flash, they all do it, some are just better at hiding it.

Agree ,I still think 90% of all the hate for the Pats is jealousy.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Agree ,I still think 90% of all the hate for the Pats is jealousy.

I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.

I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.

So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.

[kingj]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.



I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.



So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.

Exactly, this was not just about deflategate. Every team doctors the footballs; it's the accumulation of past transgressions.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

I just read a SI article that said 19 of the other 29 teams take special precautions when they play the Pats, that they do not take vs any other team. I find it hard to believe that teams who have so much game prep to do normally would make extra work just because of jealousy.

I think it is widely believed that they cheat, I think people who leave the organization admit cheating and word gets around.

So if you are the NFL and don't care about cheating then you can ignore it, but if you want to keep the integrity of your games then you have to go after the Pats.

There's cheating and there's rule bending. I think the Pats have mostly danced along the lines and done everything they can to win games but I haven't heard anything that I would consider cheating other than jamming radios etc. Anyone who thinks BB just came up with all this stuff on his own and that none of it has occurred elsewhere in the league is naive.

I have no issue with cleaning it up but a good commissioner knows how to fix problems in the shadows. If you want to fix a marriage, you don't go to the media and call her an alcoholic whore, you talk about it privately. Goodell did nothing to improve the leagues image, he only devalued it by dragging the sports biggest star through the mud without considering the implications and without having his act together.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

There's cheating and there's rule bending. I think the Pats have mostly danced along the lines and done everything they can to win games but I haven't heard anything that I would consider cheating other than jamming radios etc. Anyone who thinks BB just came up with all this stuff on his own and that none of it has occurred elsewhere in the league is naive.

I have no issue with cleaning it up but a good commissioner knows how to fix problems in the shadows. If you want to fix a marriage, you don't go to the media and call her an alcoholic whore, you talk about it privately. Goodell did nothing to improve the leagues image, he only devalued it by dragging the sports biggest star through the mud without considering the implications and without having his act together.

I don't know if I can call sneaking into opposing locker rooms and hotel rooms to steal playbooks/game material as "bending" the rules.

And I do not believe that "everyone does it" line.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

I don't know if I can call sneaking into opposing locker rooms and hotel rooms to steal playbooks/game material as "bending" the rules.

And I do not believe that "everyone does it" line.

There are teams doing each one of those things in the league. The difference is that BB is doing them all..

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

I don't know if I can call sneaking into opposing locker rooms and hotel rooms to steal playbooks/game material as "bending" the rules.

And I do not believe that "everyone does it" line.

So is it cheating if when the opposing team is playing in your stadium and you open the main field access door to create a cross wind ?

[Giantone]

This is a fun site .


The Washington Redskins Complete Cheating History - Your Team Cheats - The Definitive Guide to NFL Cheating

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So is it cheating if when the opposing team is playing in your stadium and you open the main field access door to create a cross wind ?

Is there a specific rule about that like there is a rule about the PSI of game balls and NOT taping signals? Because those 2 things are in the NFL rule book.