Cousins to start 2015 Season

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

My Cousins take: He is a classic Gruden QB. Technically sound but overwhelmingly mediocre. He will look great when things are perfect. When the play call matches the defense, when the primary read is open, when he gets great protection and most importantly, when he is playing with the lead. When any of those break down however, so does he...quickly.

Ask him to perform at a high level over a period of time and you will be disappointed. He is too careless with the ball, too pre-determined with where the ball will go and doesn't rally from adversity well.

If he starts all 16 games, he will probably put up good numbers on paper.. 3200 or so yards, 5 or 6 300 yard games, probably 18-24 TD with 14-18 INT.. The reality however will probably result in a 3-5 win season and fans hoping 'that he can put it all together with a full offseason of being the starter'.

Ultimately Cousins is fools gold.

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

So you would bet everything you own that KC can throw for 200 yards per game? Thats not exactly a very high bar tbh. Im going to go out on a limb here and say if Cousins starts all 16 games and only averages 200 yards per game, that we just flat out suck this year. That would take a monumental improvement from our def as well as Alfred and Jones gaining 1000 rushing yards each to still somewhat but not totally suck.

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

I didnt even put that together based on the post you quoted. That went right over my head. My bad...

But yeah, Kirks strength has been that he has moved the offense fairly good. His weaknesses has been turnovers and how he handles adversity.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Exactly, it was a put down to even think that he would throw for such a small number of yards when his track record says otherwise.

It was actually an indictment of our overall QB group. Yes, he should throw for more than 3,200 if he plays all 16 games but with the 'dedication to the run' he may not be slinging the rock as much as last year. He's just as capable of putting up a 300 yard game as a 140 yard stinker.

His numbers are actually rather irrelevant, hell Griffin put up average numbers in 2013. The problem is when the numbers are hollow, which I expect most of them to be.

I'll happily be wrong about Cousins but everything I've seen from him shouts mediocre. He will make the occasional big play but I haven't seen anything from him (college or pro) that leads me to believe that he's going to develop into the type of QB that be a consistent winner and will lead a franchise.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It was actually an indictment of our overall QB group. Yes, he should throw for more than 3,200 if he plays all 16 games but with the 'dedication to the run' he may not be slinging the rock as much as last year. He's just as capable of putting up a 300 yard game as a 140 yard stinker.

His numbers are actually rather irrelevant, hell Griffin put up average numbers in 2013. The problem is when the numbers are hollow, which I expect most of them to be.

I'll happily be wrong about Cousins but everything I've seen from him shouts mediocre. He will make the occasional big play but I haven't seen anything from him (college or pro) that leads me to believe that he's going to develop into the type of QB that be a consistent winner and will lead a franchise.

You do realize that as bad as they were last year, the 3 combined for 4461 yards, 18TD's and 18INT's right? If KC just does what he did last year he will end up with 4500 yards, 27TD's and 24INTs.. Those aren't shabby numbers..

You and 30gut are about as negative as I could imagine about a young QB with a lot of upside.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

You do realize that as bad as they were last year, the 3 combined for 4461 yards, 18TD's and 18INT's right? If KC just does what he did last year he will end up with 4500 yards, 27TD's and 24INTs.. Those aren't shabby numbers..

You and 30gut are about as negative as I could imagine about a young QB with a lot of upside.

Honestly numbers are meaningless. If he puts up 4500 yards, 27 TD and 24 INT they may win 5 games. You can't have a 1:1 TD to INT ratio and be a winning QB. Yards are a hollow stat unless you're building or playing with a lead.

I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. I don't see the upside and I hope that I'm wrong. I see a QB who will make 2-3 wow throws a game, 10 throws he and any other QB should make and 5 throws when you ask what the hell was that.

I don't wish him to be a turnover machine, I hope he's improved in that area.
I don't wish that he makes poor decisions when his pre-determined choice isn't there, I hope he's improved in that area.
I don't wish that he crumbles when adversity hits, I hope he's improved in that area.

Bottom line, I HOPE that I am completely wrong about him, I just don't see it yet.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

...You can't have a 1:1 TD to INT ratio and be a winning QB.

1981 Redskins - Joe Theisman - 19TD/20INT - 8-8 Record
1985 Redskins - Theisman/Schroeder - 13TD/21INT - 10-6 Record
1986 Redskins - Jay Schroeder - 22TD/22INT - 12-4 Record
1990 Redskins - Rypien/Humphries/Rutledge - 21TD/22INT - 10-6 Record
1992 Redskins - Rypien - 13TD/17INT - 9-7 Record

1998 Redskins - Trent Green/Gus Frerotte - 24TD/14INT - 6-10 Record
2003 Redskins - Patrick Ramsey/Tim Hasselbeck - 21TD/16INT - 5-11 Record
2006 Redskins - Brunell/Campbell - 18TD/10INT - 5-11 Record
2009 Redskins - Jason Campbell - 20TD/15INT - 4-12 Record

You can focus all you want on TD/INT ratios but the reality is that it barely matters. It's a facet but its not the end all be all of metrics.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

You do realize that as bad as they were last year, the 3 combined for 4461 yards, 18TD's and 18INT's right? If KC just does what he did last year he will end up with 4500 yards, 27TD's and 24INTs.. Those aren't shabby numbers..

You and 30gut are about as negative as I could imagine about a young QB with a lot of upside.

But how much of those numbers were in garbage time?

When the defense is ahead by 14 points they tend to play you much differently, which certainly happened to us a lot last year. Griffin got completely squelched in his games, and then the defenses backed off into a no-big-play approach. Same with Cousins and McCoy but they kept us competitive for longer.

We need the running game and defense to keep us in the game, so that defenses can be kept honest enough, and hopefully Kirk can do enough to take advantage.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

You and 30gut are about as negative as I could imagine about a young QB with a lot of upside.

I could easily same the same for this entire thread. Your statement about a young QB with a lot of upside applies just as readily to Griffin(actually younger) as it does to Kirk.

But what makes you say I'm as 'negative as you could imagine' about Kirk?

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I could easily same the same for this entire thread. Your statement about a young QB with a lot of upside applies just as readily to Griffin(actually younger) as it does to Kirk.

But what makes you say I'm as 'negative as you could imagine' about Kirk?

Truthfully, I just think you're negative period but I could dig up most of your posts and document your negativity towards Cousins. Anyone could probably say the same about me with RG3. I've never felt that a dual threat type QB was someone that I wanted on my team. I'm a pocket QB guy. But at least I'll cop to my bias against RG3. He never has shown me enough to believe in him. Never. Fun to watch at times? sure. NFL QB? nope. Kirk fits the mold and if he's stable, gives us something to build on. He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning. He just needs to be Chad Pennington to give us a shot. That said, I think he has tremendous upside. Give him 26 more starts to get him to the 35 that RG3 got and I have a high level of confidence that he's a productive QB putting us in position to win.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I could easily same the same for this entire thread. Your statement about a young QB with a lot of upside applies just as readily to Griffin(actually younger) as it does to Kirk.

But what makes you say I'm as 'negative as you could imagine' about Kirk?

To almost everyone else but you, RGIII's upside is mostly imaginary at this point. He has a powerful arm and is a decent runner. However, he is hesitant in the pocket, cannot perform the 3-step drop and throw with any consistency, and has zero pocket instinct. Throw in consistent examples of his inability or refusal to follow coaching instruction over the years, and his off the field drama, and you have a hot mess.

Other than his arm strength and (now reduced) athleticism, where is the upside? Again, I love the guy and was hoping he was THE guy. I bought the Kool-Aid over the summer that he was improving. I wanted it to be true.

Then I saw him in the first two preseason games. Turns out the new boss was the same as the old boss so it was time for me to pick up my guitar and play.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

It was actually an indictment of our overall QB group. Yes, he should throw for more than 3,200 if he plays all 16 games but with the 'dedication to the run' he may not be slinging the rock as much as last year. He's just as capable of putting up a 300 yard game as a 140 yard stinker.

His numbers are actually rather irrelevant, hell Griffin put up average numbers in 2013. The problem is when the numbers are hollow, which I expect most of them to be.

I'll happily be wrong about Cousins but everything I've seen from him shouts mediocre. He will make the occasional big play but I haven't seen anything from him (college or pro) that leads me to believe that he's going to develop into the type of QB that be a consistent winner and will lead a franchise.

This isn't about Kirk being a franchise quarterback for the Redskins. It's about the best option to make it through this season. I mean we all know that in all likelihood the franchise quarterback is not on the roster yet.

And that's probably a good thing, we don't need to get our franchise guy killed this year. Better we should build the team around him, especially the offensive line, and then letting Scott pick the right guy.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I would bet everything I own that if KC starts 16 games he will easily surpass 3,200 yards.

Also, perhaps all of the things that you say that he struggles with, just maybe he's gotten better at handling those things with another year under his belt in the system. But regardless, this is probably not a playoff team, no matter who is under center. But obviously KC gives us the best chance to win out of the three. And according to Gruden, KC has made the most improvement out of the three.

I agree. He was on pace for 5000 yards 31 TD and 27 INT last year. If he does that the year. With a good running game. It could mean 7-9 wins