Giants Post Game Reactions

[30gut]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...inst-the-rams/

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by 30gut

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...inst-the-rams/

Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well. Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.

Guys, its possible to run against an 8 man box. Stop making excuses as to why you cant when we did exactly that against the rams. And no... Lauvoa is not the one singular reason we were able to run against the dolphins and rams. It doesnt help losing him, but its also not the end of the world like its being made out to be.

Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well. Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.



Guys, its possible to run against an 8 man box. Stop making excuses as to why you cant when we did exactly that against the rams. And no... Lauvoa is not the one singular reason we were able to run against the dolphins and rams. It doesnt help losing him, but its also not the end of the world like its being made out to be.



Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.

So once he / we realized KC was not on his game, what exactly do you suggest.? We were probably down 12 at that point and the Giants were completely bottling up our run game. See you guys in the "bad play call" camp keep acting as if they "abandoned " the run, but they didnt. It was getting stopped. We tried to run the ball 20 times all of which were pounced on except one ten yard burst and a nice run by Thompson. Other than that they averaged under three yards a carry! The fourth quarter would have been good for 10-15 more run attempts but we were down three scores?!? It was not at all like the Rams game. Not at all. We tried to screen pass, go deep, go intermediate. None of it worked. Wth is it exactly that you were looking for????? More flea flickers?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So once he / we realized KC was not on his game, what exactly do you suggest.? We were probably down 12 at that point and the Giants were completely bottling up our run game. See you guys in the "bad play call" camp keep acting as if they "abandoned " the run, but they didnt. It was getting stopped. We tried to run the ball 20 times all of which were pounced on except one ten yard burst and a nice run by Thompson. Other than that they averaged under three yards a carry! The fourth quarter would have been good for 10-15 more run attempts but we were down three scores?!? It was not at all like the Rams game. Not at all. We tried to screen pass, go deep, go intermediate. None of it worked. Wth is it exactly that you were looking for????? More flea flickers?

Why didnt they try the 3 TE sets? Did you miss the entire post I was commenting on? The extra TE's widens the line and forces the Giants to do the exact same (notice everything you mentioned was a pass). That already creates wider gaps to attempt to run through. When you let 8 people sit from tackle to tackle, and then wonder why the run isnt working, thats idiocy. Having a back such as Morris who has great vision and has shown plenty of times that he can work with that and use cutbacks, those wider gaps can make a huge difference. Even Matt Jones could have possibly made that work for him.

As for it not being like the rams game. Of course it wasnt, we never tried to power run it down their throats. We lined up in passing sets against an 8 man box. Thats clearly not the thing to do when your QB is having an off night. That wasnt fooling anyone.

But when its clearly not working, the one thing you dont do is the same damn thing all game long. Had KC been having a decent game, it would have worked (I have never denied that), but anyone in their right mind could see he was not.

Stop with the whole attitude that the only way to win a game when the defense commits 8 to the box is to have Tom Brady, thats a fallacy. The rams did that also, and we ran against them.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Thats 9 in the box in the clip they are showing in that article. Yet people are saying that running against an 8 man box is impossible. Its possible, you just need to want to do it. Against the Giants, we didnt make any effort to. We lined up in pass sets the whole game and made no effort to do what we do well.

Yup. J and the staff chose the gameplan. Against the Rams the mindset was clear. RUN! You can tell the difference in mindset by the difference in formations and opening script (1st ~15plays). I can see where J might have thought that the Giants secondary was ripe to be explored. It didn't work.

Even when we ran, it was Carrier as the blocker, who run blocks worse than Reed. It was an attempt to show pass but end up running, which is fine at times. But not going to work when your QB is off.

Yup.3rd series: 3rd and 1-Stopped, blown up in the backfield-Why do we have Carrier blocking the POA? W H Y?

Having the least effective run blocker in the game to block at the POA on a key run play is a coaching mistake. A coaches job is to put players in positions to have success or at least minimize failure. Asking Carrier a limited (learning/developing) run blocker to block the POA is a fail.

Also, all this stuff about KC being off. Yes he was, we all saw it, except the play callers. When your QB is having an off game, and he is not an elite QB, then change the play calling to help him out. Coaches do that all the time. Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers, you allow them to do what they do since they have earned the benefit of the doubt. KC... Not so much. Offer him help in some way, shape, or form. Dont find something that isnt working and stick with it. The play calls were good if KC was on his game. The fact that he wasnt, and everyone saw that, means they werent good play calls.

From a football philosophy stand point...imho what you describe above is lost an many fans. Football plays work on paper. But can the players you have actually execute the Xs and Os you dial up? Coaching is all about matching the your personnel with Xs and Os that they can execute at a level, within a gameplan that allows the team to win.

But getting back to the actual game. A key play...1st Series 3rd and 2...
lets go back to last year....

Looking at one or two yards to go, we see the Redskins running less often than the league as a whole. The NFL ran 57 percent of the time on third and short while Washington ran just 47 percent in those situations.

They were not very successful when they ran the ball. They ran 20 times on third and one or two and converted 12 times, a conversion rate of 60 percent. The league as a whole converts 68 percent of the time.

But, then again, they weren’t that good passing the ball with a yard or two to go. They converted 11 of 23 times, 48 percent. The league was successful passing on third and short 57 percent of the time.

Need to Know: Should the Redskins have run more on third and short? | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

TLDR Last year 3rd and 2 or less:
Conversion % via Run=60
Conversion % via Pass=48


We have an improved OL. We have one of the best OL coaches in the league.
We have proven multiple 1,000 yard RB and a rookie that looks legit. IF we're going to be a run team. Imho 3rd and 2 is where we establish our identity.