Looking ahead to the Eagles

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Stop with the whole strawman bs... No one has predicted a SB trip this year. I said we would be lucky to get to 8 wins prior to the season. However, when we show success at power running, then go away from that on a Thursday night game, I dont feel bad about saying it was bad scheming going into a Thursday night game. We completely rewrote what we did the first two games going into a short week. That is beyond stupid.

But you guys seem to think a 7,8 win team is going to look awesome every game. Of course they look mediocre. They are. That's not a coaching issue, that's a roster issue. That's the result of almost 20 years of mismanagement in the FO. Get off your high horses and be realistic. SM is fixing the roster but it's going to take a few seasons. Jay has to scheme to the roster as it is and honestly I think he's done a reasonable job. I didn't say a great job. But you can't expect him to wake up one morning 15 games into being a head coach and expect perfection. You want a veteran, get one, but we hired a first time guy, manage your expectations this year. These guys are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and I just want it to taste more like chicken salad than shit for once..

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by RedskinJake

But you guys seem to think a 7,8 win team is going to look awesome every game. Of course they look mediocre. They are. That's not a coaching issue, that's a roster issue. That's the result of almost 20 years of mismanagement in the FO. Get off your high horses and be realistic. SM is fixing the roster but it's going to take a few seasons. Jay has to scheme to the roster as it is and honestly I think he's done a reasonable job. I didn't say a great job. But you can't expect him to wake up one morning 15 games into being a head coach and expect perfection. You want a veteran, get one, but we hired a first time guy, manage your expectations this year. These guys are trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit and I just want it to taste more like chicken salad than shit for once..

Just to clarify...

Im on a high horse because I dont buy into your strawman? Or just that I disagree with you is why im on a high horse?

You have made it clear that you think anyone that doesnt agree with you is somehow flawed. Im not the one on the high horse. If someone wants to disagree with me, let them. Im not here to stop them from disagreeing with me. Doesnt mean I cant put out an opinion and people can disagree with me if they want. You already accused me of trying to start an argument earlier and now you are accusing me of being arrogant because I dont agree with you.

Yes, I think rewriting the game plan from the first two games going into a Thursday game was stupid. Deal with it. If you want to debate that, then lets do it. You obviously want to debate this as you keep responding. But stop trying to mandate my opinion for me or claiming im arrogant when I dont immediately change my opinion to match yours. If you cant handle disagreement, then being online is the wrong place for you.

You think a game plan where KC passes 50 times a game is good. I do not, especially going into a short week.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

You think a game plan where KC passes 50 times a game is good. I do not, especially going into a short week.

Do you believe that was the game plan at opening kick off?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Do you believe that was the game plan at opening kick off?

Who cares? I go by what they do in game. Calling it the game plan was the wrong way to phrase it. Instead of game plan I should have said play calling.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Who cares? I go by what they do in game. Calling it the game plan was the wrong way to phrase it. Instead of game plan I should have said play calling.

Do you think we ran the ball effectively against the Giants?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Do you believe that was the game plan at opening kick off?

Four out of 5 first offensive plays were throws, so yes to your question

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Four out of 5 first offensive plays were throws, so yes to your question

Redskins vs. Giants - Play-By-Play - September 24, 2015 - ESPN

You can pick any sample size and make that argument. Like on our 3rd drive we did nothing but run.

The actual play call numbers from the 1st quarter were:

6 running calls and 5 passing calls.

The passing calls increased in the 2nd quarter making the total calls for the 1st half:

14 running plays and 16 passing plays.

That's including the 5th drive with the following 4 pass play calls:

2nd and 13
2nd and 17
3rd and 6
and 3rd and 9.

I realize that one of the 2nd down play calls could have been a run but the other three were probably gonna be passes.

Including our first drive of the 2nd half, the total play calls at that point in the game were:

17 running plays and 20 passing plays.

Considering what a down and distance debacle our 5th drive turned into, it wasn't a pass happy ratio at all.

Then we went down 25 to 6. Everything changed dramatically after that.

I understand the frustration, but the game plan wasn't for Kirk to pass the ball 50 times. We were down by 3 scores trying to play catch up.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Redskins vs. Giants - Play-By-Play - September 24, 2015 - ESPN

You can pick any sample size and make that argument. Like on our 3rd drive we did nothing but run.

The actual play call numbers from the 1st quarter were:

6 running calls and 5 passing calls.

The passing calls increased in the 2nd quarter making the total calls for the 1st half:

14 running plays and 16 passing plays.

That's including the 5th drive with the following 4 pass play calls:

2nd and 13
2nd and 17
3rd and 6
and 3rd and 9.

I realize that one of the 2nd down play calls could have been a run but the other three were probably gonna be passes.

Including our first drive of the 2nd half, the play calls were:

17 running plays and 20 passing plays.

Considering what a down and distance debacle our 5th drive turned into, it wasn't a pass happy ratio at all.

Then we went down 25 to 6. Everything changed dramatically after that.

I understand the frustration, but the game plan wasn't for Kirk to pass the ball 50 times. It turned into that in the 2nd half.

You do understand that Jay gruden strategy of throw first at the beginning of the game lead us directly to the 9-0 hole?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You do understand that Jay gruden strategy of throw first at the beginning of the game lead us directly to the 9-0 hole?

No. I don't understand that at all.

1st drive:

Jay's play calling got us in a 3rd and 2. (How is this bad?)

Then Reed picked somebody like he was in the NBA finals and was called for the penalty.

I guess Jay should have known the 33 yard gain on his 3rd and 2 play call would be erased and they would be in a 3rd and 12.

Then it is Jay's fault for calling a dumb pass play on 3rd and 12. You'd prefer a draw play and then a punt?

Then Breeland runs out of bounds on his own on the 1st punt and is called for the penalty. We have to punt for a second time close to our end zone. Jay should have sat down with him pre-game and explained this confusing rule to him!

Jay should have anchored because he got pushed back across the punter. Or did McLovin make a mistake signing a back up LB who can't play special teams. Or did Kowica forget to tell the guy the low man wins. Or did the guy just make a bad play.

Not sure which, but it has to be Jay's fault.

2nd drive:

He calls a run to Alf. Good call that plays to our strength.

Then our starting left guard goes out and is replaced by all pro back up guard . . .

Oh, NM, He was replaced by McRib.

Jay calls a play action pass out of a run formation with a FB in the game on 2nd and 7 with eight Giants in the box. They are playing run. We call play action. Can't get any better.

7 of the 8 Giant players in the box are on the line of scrimmage ready to hit Alf in the backfield.

BECAUSE THEY JUST SAW MCRIB COME IN THE GAME.

If they would have run the ball on that play it would have gone from 2nd and 7 to 3rd and 9. They were going to abuse McRib.

Then a terrible pass on a route Garcon rounded off.

But somehow it's Jay's fault.

I'm not playing dumb. I probably just am. But I don't understand how Jay led us to 9-0.

I think a handful of our guys made a string of dumb, stupid, bad plays that put us down 9-0.

Reed on the pick. Erased a 33 yard gain. Turned 3rd and 2 into 3rd and 12.

Breeland on the punt penalty. Caused us to re punt.

Plummer stood straight up and got pushed into our punter.

Kirk throws a really dumb pass.

Garcon runs a really sloppy route. (From Cooley's film breakdown.)

Redskins Audio | ESPN 980

FYI: On a personal note, I really like the play calling from the first two games. I like run first, pass second.

That being said, I don't have any issues with exploiting a defense. I believe they noticed something on film in the Giant's secondary they could take advantage of. Just a hunch, but I think that's why we opened the game the way we did.

It was aggressive, like we were trying to win.

It almost worked with the 33 yard gain erased by penalty.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You do understand that Jay gruden strategy of throw first at the beginning of the game lead us directly to the 9-0 hole?

N
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Lol


People belive this shit? This fan base lol