Falcons postgame positives and negatives

[skinsfaninok]

Yeah he was a good QB he just never got lucky in the playoffs it seemed. Also chad didn't turn it over as much. Kirk has alot to prove

[punch it in]

Kirk has still not started a full seasons worth of games. He has only started 5 as "thee" guy so I am not sure I can really compare him to anyone yet or that it would be fair to do so.

[MTK]

At just 14 starts he deserves double that before we can tell what he really is, but unfortunately he's not giving us a ton of hope at the midway point.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At just 14 starts he deserves double that before we can tell what he really is, but unfortunately he's not giving us a ton of hope at the midway point.

Would agree Im not feeling completely like we found our guy, but he did seem rather poised at the end of regulation the last couple weeks. Ill leave the fall down / interception thing alone. Lets just say Grant keeps his footing and we move down the field though? Than Id feel a little better.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Would agree Im not feeling completely like we found our guy, but he did seem rather poised at the end of regulation the last couple weeks. Ill leave the fall down / interception thing alone. Lets just say Grant keeps his footing and we move down the field though? Than Id feel a little better.

Kirk got two grades in the film review:

C overall.

A- at the end of the game.

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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

At just 14 starts he deserves double that before we can tell what he really is, but unfortunately he's not giving us a ton of hope at the midway point.

Speak for yourself on whether or not Kirk has given us much to be hopeful about. I realize that he needs to become a more accurate passer and he's had some bad interceptions but he has also had some outstanding moments. He was outstanding during the game-winning drive against the Eagles. Just one week later, he took us down the field with less than 45 seconds left to tie the game against Atlanta. He was also making good throws and moving the chains in OT until he may or may not have made a poor decision and/or a bad throw that ended the game. It's those outstanding moments that give me plenty of hope for the future with Kirk at QB.

Still, as you pointed out, we don't yet know what we have in Kirk. I agree with you that he needs more starts so we can find out.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Speak for yourself on whether or not Kirk has given us much to be hopeful about. I realize that he needs to become a more accurate passer and he's had some bad interceptions but he has also had some outstanding moments. He was outstanding during the game-winning drive against the Eagles. Just one week later, he took us down the field with less than 45 seconds left to tie the game against Atlanta. He was also making good throws and moving the chains in OT until he may or may not have made a poor decision and/or a bad throw that ended the game. It's those outstanding moments that give me plenty of hope for the future with Kirk at QB.

Still, as you pointed out, we don't yet know what we have in Kirk. I agree with you that he needs more starts so we can find out.

If cousins had more competent, consistent play in both the Miami and Atlanta games they would have been wins. He has been ok, but ok gets u 7-9 and 8-8. I need to see much better play to secure himself as the starter for next year.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If cousins had more competent, consistent play in both the Miami and Atlanta games they would have been wins. He has been ok, but ok gets u 7-9 and 8-8. I need to see much better play to secure himself as the starter for next year.

Guess what, Chico? I would be satisfied with 8-8 this season. Kirk is far from the only player who needs to develop for us to improve our W/L record. Plus, I think we need two more drafts and two more FA periods to become a perennial contender. I consider this to be Year 1 of a three year building process. I think Kirk is developing and I hope he gets where we need him to be by the time we're ready to win big.

[RedskinJake]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Guess what, Chico? I would be satisfied with 8-8 this season. Kirk is far from the only player who needs to develop for us to improve our W/L record. Plus, I think we need two more drafts and two more FA periods to become a perennial contender. I consider this to be Year 1 of a three year building process. I think Kirk is developing and I hope he gets where we need him to be by the time we're ready to win big.

We haven't won but 9 games since 2012 and all of a sudden everyone is too good for an 8 win season. I'm with you let's win 7 or 8 this year and get this train back on track..

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Guess what, Chico? I would be satisfied with 8-8 this season. Kirk is far from the only player who needs to develop for us to improve our W/L record. Plus, I think we need two more drafts and two more FA periods to become a perennial contender. I consider this to be Year 1 of a three year building process. I think Kirk is developing and I hope he gets where we need him to be by the time we're ready to win big.

Yeah I was saying the plateau is 7-9 and 8-8 max with cousins. I would take that this year for sure.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If cousins had more competent, consistent play in both the Miami and Atlanta games they would have been wins. He has been ok, but ok gets u 7-9 and 8-8. I need to see much better play to secure himself as the starter for next year.

I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.

Bravo.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm ok with "OK" this year. After all I don't think most predictions had this team winning more than 4-5 games. So if they end up with 7-9 wins, that is a success and something to build on.

Every single 'good to great' QB in the history of the game required time to become just that. They needed the opportunity to learn from their mistakes, and patience from everyone around them to allow the whole team to grow together. For some QBs and some teams it happened faster than others...this guy has had a total of five games as the anointed starter, with the benefit of taking all the starter repetitions, working with the 1s, etc.

Whether you choose to see it or not, this team is getting better and is growing together. There's a ton of new faces in the starting lineups - some by design, and some due to multiple injuries to 1st and 2nd stringers. It's a testament to Scot M. for bringing the right guys in, and it's a testament to the coaching staff for putting it all together on Sundays.

While Kirk has been great at times and not so great at times, I believe the team is much better with him behind center, and has a pretty high ceiling. The overall health of the team has been the bigger issue to me, rather than Kirk's inconsistency. I'm not going to predict the playoffs this year, but it's not out of the question given the state of the NFC East. I will say that as of this week there are less than five teams in the entire league that I feel this team cannot beat if they put together their A game.

Could not agree more.

[punch it in]

The Jets have beaten the Browns Colts and Dolphins? Yes we lost to Miami. They lost to Philly. Every week I hear about how we are giving other teams too much credit. I am going to be the first to say we are giving them too much.
To quote so many other posts about so many other games "when the hell did they become the 85 Bears?" Oh and I will add that Ryan Fitzpatrick stinks. Bring em on!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The Jets have beaten the Browns Colts and Dolphins? Yes we lost to Miami. They lost to Philly. Every week I hear about how we are giving other teams too much credit. I am going to be the first to say we are giving them too much.
To quote so many other posts about so many other games "when the hell did they become the 85 Bears?" Oh and I will add that Ryan Fitzpatrick stinks. Bring em on!

I can't speak for anyone else. I have given each opponent the the credit I think they deserve. I thought we matched up quite well with all the opponents we've faced thus far. So when some people were throwing their hands up saying we can't beat the Falcons I wasn't one of them. That's not how I view a team. I try to look objectively at each team we face and think about the ways we can come out with a W. And they better have a solid game plan and come to play because its going to tough.

Imo the Jets are the toughest team we've faced thus far; that is not to say I don't think we can win. The 2 thoughts are mutually exclusive.

I know many in this forum have chest puffing disdain for advanced stats but Football Outsider's rates the Jets defense as #2 overall #5 vs the pass and #1 vs the run. And before you excuse away their rankings FBO accounts for the strength of the competition better then raw defense stats like yards allowed or points allowed. Then you look at their personnel and coaching. Both are very good.