Redskins v. Jets Gameday Thread

[JoeRedskin]

Gruden doubled down on KC this year. If KC fails, so does Gruden. I thought one of the more telling comments during Gruden's post game presser was "We have a lot invested in Kirk." To my recollection, never made a statement like that about RGIII.

In addition, the excuses he was coming up for KC just caused me to face palm - it was the wind, everyone makes bad decisions, the 2nd int was just a long punt, the "vanilla" defense Jets played was a change-up b/c KC thought they were going they to be bringing pressure.

He seems to hold everyone but KC accountable.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Gruden doubled down on KC this year. If KC fails, so does Gruden. I thought one of the more telling comments during Gruden's post game presser was "We have a lot invested in Kirk." To my recollection, never made a statement like that about RGIII.

In addition, the excuses he was coming up for KC just caused me to face palm - it was the wind, everyone makes bad decisions, the 2nd int was just a long punt, the "vanilla" defense Jets played was a change-up b/c KC thought they were going they to be bringing pressure.

He seems to hold everyone but KC accountable.

He also said that none of the QB's at this stage of their careers can carry the team. Basically he was saying the other options are worse that what's currently playing.

[JoeRedskin]

From Keim:

Coach Jay Gruden. The Redskins now have been outscored 46-3 in the third quarter of games this season. Also, it’s fine that he wants to stick by Cousins. Sometimes his defense of Cousins goes overboard; the conditions weren’t the best and the run game didn’t work, but he could have played better. The Redskins had plenty of excuses not to win Sunday, so I'm not blaming him for the loss at all. And the third-quarter woes aren't all on him. But with Cousins, all he really needed to say was that he has to play better and they can't afford the mistakes. Cousins can handle the truth.

[Hog1]

Gruden cannot say none of the QB's on this staff are his guy....if that's true
I look at Kirk like his......John Beck

[Chico23231]

Cousins has 10 multiple interception games. 10 folks...10. Think about that.

Cousin apologists, officially get the f*ck out.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cousins has 10 multiple interception games. 10 folks...10. Think about that.

Cousin apologists, officially get the f*ck out.

Where do the people go that think "Cousins isnt great but hes the best option we have on this roster" go?

Or is there no middle ground for reasonable minded people who understand that injuries to our top players + 31 rushing yards = loss.

Our strength is running the ball and stopping the run. We did neither last week or this week ... but lets focus solely on our average Qb having a below average game ...... and make sure to blast any skins fan who doesnt want to burn Cousins at the stake.

Cousins is the 4th or 5th reason why we lost yesterday.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Where do the people go that think "Cousins isnt great but hes the best option we have on this roster" go?



Or is there no middle ground for reasonable minded people who understand that injuries to our top players + 31 rushing yards = loss.



Our strength is running the ball and stopping the run. We did neither last week or this week ... but lets focus solely on our average Qb having a below average game ...... and make sure to blast any skins fan who doesnt want to burn Cousins at the stake.



Cousins is the 4th or 5th reason why we lost yesterday.

Agreed.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Where do the people go that think "Cousins isnt great but hes the best option we have on this roster" go?

Or is there no middle ground for reasonable minded people who understand that injuries to our top players + 31 rushing yards = loss.

Our strength is running the ball and stopping the run. We did neither last week or this week ... but lets focus solely on our average Qb having a below average game ...... and make sure to blast any skins fan who doesnt want to burn Cousins at the stake.

Cousins is the 4th or 5th reason why we lost yesterday.

all good points...I just want to be clear, Cousins isnt the future. Good backup, not a starter in this league.

I dont know about 4 or 5, i think its more 2 or 3. running the ball to me is the obvious 1st.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

all good points...I just want to be clear, Cousins isnt the future. Good backup, not a starter in this league.

I dont know about 4 or 5, i think its more 2 or 3. running the ball to me is the obvious 1st.

IMO its way to early to say KC cant be the QB of the future. He hasn't even started 16 games yet. He definitely needs to improve from where he is now but the sample size of starts is too low to declare him "not a starter".

Firing Gruden mid-season would prove this organization is as stupid as its ever been.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO its way to early to say KC cant be the QB of the future. He hasn't even started 16 games yet. He definitely needs to improve from where he is now but the sample size of starts is too low to declare him "not a starter".

Firing Gruden mid-season would prove this organization is as stupid as its ever been.

What about firing our no name O-cordinator who sux and moving Callahan in as OC/oline coach?

Lets look at the facts this season:

The defense has been much better. I think the secondary has been much better, even with the injuries. Perry Fewell is doing a damn good job. I think Joe Barry has been decent...i think he gets a little lax sometimes, and needs to be more aggressive in some situations.

The special teams, while coverage units have been suspect; Ross, crowder and both kickers have been pretty good. Still too many penalties on special teams, but that has slowly gotten better as the season has gone on.


The offense. Obviously Callahan has been great, much improved on the line. But Jay Gruden the "offensive wiz" and our no name shit O cordinator not really coming through. I think play calling is meh, stratgy is meh, but the yards gained aint matching what our scoring should be. Our adjustments after half time are terrible...we are unable to add or adjust to the offense.


If we shit the bed in Tampa Bay, we will see some change. I think Gruden might have to have Callahan move into the OC role at a minimum.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO its way to early to say KC cant be the QB of the future. He hasn't even started 16 games yet. He definitely needs to improve from where he is now but the sample size of starts is too low to declare him "not a starter".

KC has thrown 6 TD's to 8 INT's this season. Over the course of his four years, he has thrown 24 TD's and 27 INT's. He is 27 years old (as of August).
He is not a "young" QB. Regardless of his number of starts, these are not the numbers and age of a QB "of the future." People here have said "Well, P. Manning, B. Farve, etc. all started out throwing lots of picks." True, when they were in their first couple years in the league and under 25. At 27, Manning was a six year starter on his way to a 29 TD, 10 INT season and Farve a five year starter on his way to a 38 TD, 10 INT season. How about some more pedestrian but 27 year olds?

Mark Brunnell: Three year starter, 18 TD's, 7 INT's;
Jason Campbell: Two year starter, 13 TD's, 6 INT's;
Jay Cutler: Five year starter, 23 TD's, 16 INT's.

Kirk is not the answer this year, next year nor any point in the future. At this point, neither he nor RGIII is the answer and neither help us win now (different flaws equaling the same bad result). I give him a couple games, but then, if still throwing multiple picks, put in Colt as a care taker and move forward from there.

Originally Posted by irish

Firing Gruden mid-season would prove this organization is as stupid as its ever been.

Gruden gets the year ... but be prepared for a Shanny type collapse if we don't get some more wins. Soon.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO its way to early to say KC cant be the QB of the future. He hasn't even started 16 games yet. He definitely needs to improve from where he is now but the sample size of starts is too low to declare him "not a starter".

Firing Gruden mid-season would prove this organization is as stupid as its ever been.

It may be a low sample size, but some glaring problems seem to not be getting better. The one that sticks out to me is the glaring problem with throwing out routes. Had one returned for a TD when we were almost in FG range in OT at Atlanta. Another one picked off deep in Redskin
territory against the Jets. I can't recall how many of his other
6 interceptions were on out routes but I can remember a few close calls where picks were dropped.

A well thrown out route is either caught by the receiver inbounds or incomplete. A bad throw is dangerous and can be an easy pick six. From
my observation more out routes are returned for TDs than any other.
It appears obvious that until whatever is causing the problem with out routes is cleared up, don't throw them unless the receiver is wide open.

Drives me nuts when I see a glaring problem that doesn't get fixed.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

... At the end of the day, I don't think it'd be prudent to fire Gruden mid-season. Although he is not helping himself by continuing to be a Cousins apologist. And honestly, I think that is going to be his undoing.

I think that is true. The film will show what the film will show. What I saw with my own eyes is that KC is just inaccurate. He has been that way all year. Yesterday, even more so. I understand from Keim and other beat reporters and twitter folks that KC has strong support in the locker room and on the staff, but, at some point this "Well, it was the wind" defense is going to go over like a lead balloon with Scot McC.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

all good points...I just want to be clear, Cousins isnt the future. Good backup, not a starter in this league.

I dont know about 4 or 5, i think its more 2 or 3. running the ball to me is the obvious 1st.

Agreed. Sure, there were injuries but guys were open and were thrown bad balls. I grant you the lack of a running game was No. 1, but, in my mind, KC was a not-to-distant second.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I think that is true. The film will show what the film will show. What I saw with my own eyes is that KC is just inaccurate. He has been that way all year. Yesterday, even more so. I understand from Keim and other beat reporters and twitter folks that KC has strong support in the locker room and on the staff, but, at some point this "Well, it was the wind" defense is going to go over like a lead balloon with Scot McC.



Agreed. Sure, there were injuries but guys were open and were thrown bad balls. I grant you the lack of a running game was No. 1, but, in my mind, KC was a not-to-distant second.

Those ints throw were inexcusable just crap throws too based on poor decisions.

[Evilgrin]

Gruden inherited them, but he always talks to much.