Redskins v. Jets Gameday Thread

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by irish

IMO its way to early to say KC cant be the QB of the future. He hasn't even started 16 games yet. He definitely needs to improve from where he is now but the sample size of starts is too low to declare him "not a starter".

KC has thrown 6 TD's to 8 INT's this season. Over the course of his four years, he has thrown 24 TD's and 27 INT's. He is 27 years old (as of August).
He is not a "young" QB. Regardless of his number of starts, these are not the numbers and age of a QB "of the future." People here have said "Well, P. Manning, B. Farve, etc. all started out throwing lots of picks." True, when they were in their first couple years in the league and under 25. At 27, Manning was a six year starter on his way to a 29 TD, 10 INT season and Farve a five year starter on his way to a 38 TD, 10 INT season. How about some more pedestrian but 27 year olds?

Mark Brunnell: Three year starter, 18 TD's, 7 INT's;
Jason Campbell: Two year starter, 13 TD's, 6 INT's;
Jay Cutler: Five year starter, 23 TD's, 16 INT's.

Kirk is not the answer this year, next year nor any point in the future. At this point, neither he nor RGIII is the answer and neither help us win now (different flaws equaling the same bad result). I give him a couple games, but then, if still throwing multiple picks, put in Colt as a care taker and move forward from there.

Originally Posted by irish

Firing Gruden mid-season would prove this organization is as stupid as its ever been.

Gruden gets the year ... but be prepared for a Shanny type collapse if we don't get some more wins. Soon.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

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Gruden gets the year ... but be prepared for a Shanny type collapse if we don't get some more wins. Soon.

I think Shanahan lost the team through a lot of non-football things. One thing that I think I have seen is Gruden has kept this team's mentality right through all the QB drama. So I doubt we have a Shanny or Zorn collapse. I just expect us to lose because we don't have a strong enough roster. Forget the 2nd half collapses - clearly coaching problem- and lets look at the plan in the first halves. Gruden has had the team ready to play and lead at half time for 5 of the 6 games. The team plays for him, I think. He just needs to get better.

[Michaelt31]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think Shanahan lost the team through a lot of non-football things. One thing that I think I have seen is Gruden has kept this team's mentality right through all the QB drama. So I doubt we have a Shanny or Zorn collapse. I just expect us to lose because we don't have a strong enough roster. Forget the 2nd half collapses - clearly coaching problem- and lets look at the plan in the first halves. Gruden has had the team ready to play and lead at half time for 5 of the 6 games. The team plays for him, I think. He just needs to get better.

And who you think started those non football things? He was the source for all those stories! As for Jay, he was the source for the things this summer. So when the loses keep coming, he will be the source for the stories. Guys are playing hard b/c SM. What amazed me more about everyone on here was put Kirk in and this offense would be ok. Well, I guess we see he is not the answer!! Guys are still open no matter they are low draft picks, he is not delivering. Keep comparing him to Manning, Luck, or Favre! Those guys threw picks, but also thouchdowns. That Colts team was terrible, but Manning still put points up. Are defense keep us in games and this guy look lost!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Michaelt31

And who you think started those non football things? He was the source for all those stories! As for Jay, he was the source for the things this summer. So when the loses keep coming, he will be the source for the stories. Guys are playing hard b/c SM. What amazed me more about everyone on here was put Kirk in and this offense would be ok. Well, I guess we see he is not the answer!! Guys are still open no matter they are low draft picks, he is not delivering. Keep comparing him to Manning, Luck, or Favre! Those guys threw picks, but also thouchdowns. That Colts team was terrible, but Manning still put points up. Are defense keep us in games and this guy look lost!!

My point was Shanahan was likely a source for the non-football stuff. What makes you say Jay was a source for things this summer (more specifically what proof?) JG doesn't come across as a guy who wants the non-football drama, or would start the type of stuff we see here.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My point was Shanahan was likely a source for the non-football stuff. What makes you say Jay was a source for things this summer (more specifically what proof?) JG doesn't come across as a guy who wants the non-football drama, or would start the type of stuff we see here.

Couldnt agree more. I think Gruden is all business. I think the players like him. Unfortunately I am also beginning to believe he is over his head as a HC in this league. Im so sick of "playing out the year under some sort of extended test drive but it looks like that is what we are on with him and KC. The one good thing is I have faith in SM - who is ultimately in charge of such things. The other good thing is the division is still up for grabs and the season is not a total loss. Gotta root for the birds tonite as much as i hate Chip - cant let the Gints get too far out in front. Need desperately to get some of our injured players back soon! Maybe we can beat TB without them and be healthy for the Pats.