Who is Kirk Cousins?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You should run for office. Lol

"I feel strongly both ways."

[MTK]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You should run for office. Lol

Well, even comparing him to a rookie is a little ridiculous IMO. And obviously he's not there yet in terms of playing time, but meetings, practices, camps, etc., do count for something.

[DYoungJelly]

2015 NFL Regular Season Standings - National Football League

We rank 25th in rushing yards per game.

We rank 24th in points allowed per game.

He has set franchise passing records this year.

He lead 2 game winning drives and 1 game tying drive with less than 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Nobody is saying he is the second coming of Christ.

But, if a killer defense and a brutal running game can prop up Kapernick and Wilson, maybe, just maybe it could turn a QB who is setting passing records into a consistent winner.

For those saying he has something to prove, who do you want to replace him with?

The mock drafts are out there, everybody has a good idea of who the FA are going to be after this year. So name some names already.

Who do you want to start from scratch with next year?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

...But, if a killer defense and a brutal running game can prop up Kapernick and Wilson, maybe, just maybe it could turn a QB who is setting passing records into a consistent winner.

First I want to say that sure maybe a killer defense and a brutal running game could prop up Cousins. That could happen.

But when you say 'prop up Kaep and Wilson' I think you are doing them a disservice. They weren't innocent bystanders to their team's SB runs. Both of them contributed to directly (rushing yards) and indirectly (limiting the backside pursuit on run plays) to making the 'brutal running game'. And its the running game/time of possension and those QB's respective lack of turnovers that actually helped those defenses excel.

Football is such a team sport, everything is interconnected. In your analogy Kirk doesn't provide the same contribution to the run game nor the lack of turnovers of Kaep and Russ. Also Kirk has opportunity to set passing records because of this staff's focus on the passing game. He's 10th in attempts in the league.

For those saying he has something to prove, who do you want to replace him with?

You realize saying he has something to prove doesn't mean he shouldn't be re-signed at the end of year. Like the FO, some prefer to wait and see before making a decision....and hopefully starting from scratch won't happen.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

But when you say 'prop up Kaep and Wilson' I think you are doing them a disservice. They weren't innocent bystanders to their team's SB runs. Both of them contributed to directly (rushing yards) and indirectly (limiting the backside pursuit on run plays) to making the 'brutal running game'. And its the running game/time of possension and those QB's respective lack of turnovers that actually helped those defenses excel.

They had the same two QB's under center at the beginning of the year and now Seattle is 5-5 and SF is 3-7.

Wilson is .500 with the second best defense in the league and the most rushing yards per game in the league:

2015 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

He has underperformed even after the team went out and acquired arguably the most difficult TE in the league to cover.

Kap has been benched because he is basically RGIII. The curtain was finally pulled down to reveal the real OZ.

Kirk is a game off Wilson with 24th ranked D and 25th ranked rushing yards per game.

I'm sticking with "propped up."

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You realize saying he has something to prove doesn't mean he shouldn't be re-signed at the end of year. Like the FO, some prefer to wait and see before making a decision....and hopefully starting from scratch won't happen.

The FO has already had preliminary talks with Kirk's agent concerning a new contract. Maybe you're not like the FO, after all.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

The FO has already had preliminary talks with Kirk's agent concerning a new contract. Maybe you're not like the FO, after all.

Oh, was there a contract signed? Or are they waiting?

[CRedskinsRule]

see the Giants pregame thread, but KC is an inconsistent NFL capable QB. I doubt that changes. IF we had a consistent NFL capable QB on our roster, we would be in first place. We don't. Is there one in this year's draft - very likely. Nearly every draft has one or two qb's in there somewhere,
2014 Blake Bortles, Derek Carr, T Bridgwater all look real
2013 Landry, maybe Barkley
2012 Wilson, Luck
2011 Newton Dalton Yates (maybe)
2010 ok maybe not this one Unless we say Colt McCoy...
2009 Stafford, maybe Sanchez (not really though)
2008 Ryan, Flacco,

So hopefully our scouting dept, both Pro and College, are being diligent in their searches, and we get a couple real alternatives in here for next season.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

see the Giants pregame thread, but KC is an inconsistent NFL capable QB. I doubt that changes. IF we had a consistent NFL capable QB on our roster, we would be in first place. We don't. Is there one in this year's draft - very likely. Nearly every draft has one or two qb's in there somewhere,
2014 Blake Bortles, Derek Carr, T Bridgwater all look real
2013 Landry, maybe Barkley
2012 Wilson, Luck
2011 Newton Dalton Yates (maybe)
2010 ok maybe not this one Unless we say Colt McCoy...
2009 Stafford, maybe Sanchez (not really though)
2008 Ryan, Flacco,

So hopefully our scouting dept, both Pro and College, are being diligent in their searches, and we get a couple real alternatives in here for next season.

You gotta be kidding when you say we'd be in first place if we had a better QB. The entire team got their asses kicked in our losses, except for the Atlanta game which we wouldn't even have been in at the end if Kirk hadn't driven the team to a score with 24 seconds left on the clock.

Barkley, Yates, and Sanchez? Again, you must be kidding. None of them is fit to wash Kirk's dirty uniform. Landry is unproven. Bortles is no better than Kirk. If it's so easy to pick a starting caliber QB, why was Wilson picked in the 3rd round?

You may not think so, but we've got bigger problems at other positions.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You gotta be kidding when you say we'd be in first place if we had a better QB. The entire team got their asses kicked in our losses, except for the Atlanta game which we wouldn't even have been in at the end if Kirk hadn't driven the team to a score with 24 seconds left on the clock.

Barkley, Yates, and Sanchez? Again, you must be kidding. None of them is fit to wash Kirk's dirty uniform. Landry is unproven. Bortles is no better than Kirk. If it's so easy to pick a starting caliber QB, why was Wilson picked in the 3rd round?

You may not think so, but we've got bigger problems at other positions.

I do know we have bigger problems. Didn't say we don't. But the division is so crappy that with 1 or 2 non disaster games from KC we would be in first. Heck, beat the Giants in the first game, and we are in first.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You gotta be kidding when you say we'd be in first place if we had a better QB. The entire team got their asses kicked in our losses, except for the Atlanta game which we wouldn't even have been in at the end if Kirk hadn't driven the team to a score with 24 seconds left on the clock.



Barkley, Yates, and Sanchez? Again, you must be kidding. None of them is fit to wash Kirk's dirty uniform. Landry is unproven. Bortles is no better than Kirk. If it's so easy to pick a starting caliber QB, why was Wilson picked in the 3rd round?



You may not think so, but we've got bigger problems at other positions.

Right on. If not for Cousins this game on Sunday would mean dick because we would be about 1-9.
We would be in first place if we had half a run defense has such a better jingle to it.

[Bucket]

We have lots of issues right now. Our QB is not one of them for once.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You gotta be kidding when you say we'd be in first place if we had a better QB. The entire team got their asses kicked in our losses, except for the Atlanta game which we wouldn't even have been in at the end if Kirk hadn't driven the team to a score with 24 seconds left on the clock.

Barkley, Yates, and Sanchez? Aga|in, you must be kidding. None of them is fit to wash Kirk's dirty uniform. Landry is unproven. Bortles is no better than Kirk. If it's so easy to pick a starting caliber QB, why was Wilson picked in the 3rd round?

You may not think so, but we've got bigger problems at other positions.

This. Your were quoting a kirk hater credskinrule, <- you sir are grasping at straws with t-rex arms. Please leave such ramblings to yourself.

[30gut]

DY-

You are conflating the issue. I have always been talking about how Russ/Kaep played during their SB run. You are jumping around and somehow including your opinion of them this year and your overall opinion of them which both have nothing to do with how they played in those years.

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

They weren't number 1 in PPG, YPG, or total yards or total points. They were number 1 in F.O. DVOA ranking which is a good measure in my opinion.

You're again making my point. The Seahawks offense with roughly the same personnel jumped from 22nd in DVOA to 1st. DVOA is a much better measure of an offense then yards. Yards is impacted for better or worse by the quality or lack there of by the defense. Having a bad defense can mask empty yards and likewise having a good defense can reduce the yards of a good offense, especially passing yards.
But even in raw counting stats Seattles offense jumped with Wilson's arrival from 28th to 17th. And from 21st to 3rd in rushing. How do you account for that jump? Lynch just decided to be a more productive runner when Wilson arrived? How many other QBs can you plug in and have that type of increase? PPG They went from 23rd to 9th.

I don't see anything from the stats, (thats without even getting to his clutch play/game winning drives and playmaking) that shows Wilson's production on offense being propped up.

But, ive prolly already given this discussion more credence then it warranted.

Originally Posted by DY

Nobody is propping Kirk up this year, and Wilson only has the defense propping him up and you can see what the rankings are.

Well when I look at this offense it looks to me like Kirk is being aided by a passing game designed and called to protect and facilitate his success which has come at the detriment of the run game. And his YPA is close to league worst.

But I get it. You feel better about Kirk by somehow diminishing what Russ and Kaep did in their SB runs.

Either way I'm done, it was a good trytophan induced convo but im exhausted.

If Kirk can become as "propped up" as Wilson was during their SB runs I'll gladly take that kind of propped up prodction from Kirk.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You are conflating the issue. I have always been talking about how Russ/Kaep played during their SB run. You are jumping around and somehow including your opinion of them this year and your overall opinion of them which both have nothing to do with how they played in those years.

Originally Posted by 30gut

You really think our personnel on offense is laughably inferior to theirs? Do you remember the Seahawks offense players?

And their OL is everybit as spotty as ours.

Sorry, when you used the present tense, I thought you were referencing the present tense.

Lynch was the #2 running back in the league in 2011: FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | RUNNING BACKS 2011

The DIFFERENCE WAS RUSSELL WILSON. He came in and was not Tavaris Jackson or Charlie Whitehurst.

Wilson was 29th in the league in 2012 in passing yards per game.

The qualifier is that there are a number of other QBs that could have done the same thing with that team. Rex Grossman's D wasn't even compared to the '85 bears D like Wilson's and he game managed his way to a SB.

As I said earlier, for a team like the Seahawks with a great D and HOF running back, a QB can be 29th in the league in passing yards per game and play well. That's all he had to do to win. Good for him. All QBs should be that lucky.

The proof is in the pudding. Without Lynch, even with the D, Wilson ranks in the bottom half of the league; 17th.

His performance has trended exactly the opposite of what teams want. His F.O. ranking has declined every year even with Lynch; but he has been good enough to win with a HOF RB and the best D.

Originally Posted by 30gut

Well when I look at this offense it looks to me like Kirk is being aided by a passing game designed and called to protect and facilitate his success which has come at the detriment of the run game.

It's quotes like this that make me wonder if you're sincere, or just saying crazy stuff to get a reaction.

If they would have propped up RGIII like they are Kirk. . . Infinity and beyond!