Who is Kirk Cousins?

[skinsfaninok]

Kirk is way better than JC ever was

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Kirk is way better than JC ever was

My problem with Jason Campbell was he played okay but not good enough.... we had two first round picks in 2005....both of those picks were gone by 2010 and 2011...Gibbs could have drafted Aaron Rodgers but he didn't...

[redskin37]

I hope the team does not give kc a big fat long term contract.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by redskin37

I hope the team does not give kc a big fat long term contract.

what type would you offer him? We aren't salary experts - except Schneed - so just a basic idea of what you think would be a right ballpark offer?

[NoCalHail]

Cousins is likely going to get 2016 to prove himself. There really isn't a better IMMEDIATE option available.

Something people have to remember is unless your QB is Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers, you are largely going to be dealing with a QB who from a week to week basis can look really good, average, or mediocre. Just take a guy like Eli Manning for example, he has two rings, and has gone on stretches of games where he absolutely looks like one of the best QBs in the league, however when you look at his overall body of work there are a lot of stretches where he looks downright mediocre or at least just average.

In the NFL, you either have a Top 5 QB or you most likely will be required to build a contender around a serviceable QB. That is just a fact of the NFL. There are simply not 15-20 elite caliber QB's to go around.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

Cousins is likely going to get 2016 to prove himself. There really isn't a better IMMEDIATE option available.



Something people have to remember is unless your QB is Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers, you are largely going to be dealing with a QB who from a week to week basis can look really good, average, or mediocre. Just take a guy like Eli Manning for example, he has two rings, and has gone on stretches of games where he absolutely looks like one of the best QBs in the league, however when you look at his overall body of work there are a lot of stretches where he looks downright mediocre or at least just average.



In the NFL, you either have a Top 5 QB or you most likely will be required to build a contender around a serviceable QB. That is just a fact of the NFL. There are simply not 15-20 elite caliber QB's to go around.

You are either elite or you are serviceable? No in between? No difference between say Matt Ryan and Brian Hoyer? Big Ben and say Sam Bradford? Maybe im misunderstanding what you mean by serviceable but to me serviceable means a stop gap until you get someone good.

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are either elite or you are serviceable? No in between? No difference between say Matt Ryan and Brian Hoyer? Big Ben and say Sam Bradford? Maybe im misunderstanding what you mean by serviceable but to me serviceable means a stop gap until you get someone good.

When I say serviceable I mean that it's a QB you can win with, but perhaps not a difference-maker at the position. I don't look at Cousins as a difference maker kind of QB. He is a QB that you could probably interchange out with 8-10 other QB's in the league and the team would likely have the same results based on the team around them.

The Top 4-5 QB's in the league make their teams better. Brady for example makes no names into stars for the few seasons they are catching passes from him. These are the QB's you can't afford to lose. They make a good team great, a great team elite.

Does that help explain it a bit better?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

When I say serviceable I mean that it's a QB you can win with, but perhaps not a difference-maker at the position. I don't look at Cousins as a difference maker kind of QB. He is a QB that you could probably interchange out with 8-10 other QB's in the league and the team would likely have the same results based on the team around them.



The Top 4-5 QB's in the league make their teams better. Brady for example makes no names into stars for the few seasons they are catching passes from him. These are the QB's you can't afford to lose. They make a good team great, a great team elite.



Does that help explain it a bit better?

Who are some other qb's in the league u consider interchangeable with cousins? Im curious.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by NoCalHail

When I say serviceable I mean that it's a QB you can win with, but perhaps not a difference-maker at the position. I don't look at Cousins as a difference maker kind of QB. He is a QB that you could probably interchange out with 8-10 other QB's in the league and the team would likely have the same results based on the team around them.

The Top 4-5 QB's in the league make their teams better. Brady for example makes no names into stars for the few seasons they are catching passes from him. These are the QB's you can't afford to lose. They make a good team great, a great team elite.

Does that help explain it a bit better?

To follow up on Punch's question, what is the average contract of the 8-10 other QBs?

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

To follow up on Punch's question, what is the average contract of the 8-10 other QBs?

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015

Well according to those stats:
K.Cousins
DYAR Rk YAR Rk DVOA Rk VOA QBR Rk Passes Yards EYds
472 11 500 11 5.4% 14 6.4% 57.7 21 444 2,874 2,937

TD FK FL INT C% DPI
17 2 3 10 68.6% 5/80

Seems like he falls in the 10-15 range. Using Overthecap.com's qb contract numbers that would put him in the 17Mill to 19Mill /year range with a total guarantee somewhere between 25 to 35Mill guaranteed.

[punch it in]

Phillip Rivers would be talked about with those guys....IF....he was on a consistently good team. Brees as I already mentioned got off to a terrible terrible start to his career. Than he got playmakers around him and boom. Eli is a great example. Give him an all worls defense a good oline a good rb and wr's he wins rings. Take it away he is an instant game manager. If not for odb making miraculous one armed catches on poorly thrown balls and Eli would not be jack. Had Russel Wilson been drafted by the Browns or Redskins he might be backing someone up rite now. Its got everything to do with situation.

[skinsfaninok]

If kirk plays well these next 4 games and we win the east he deserves an extension imo. He's already matching redskins qb records from the glory days. Of course griff was great for 1 yr too but kirk seems to have a better overall understanding than any of our past qbs

[rocnrik]

It would be deserving for some of you fans for Cousins to land somewhere else and be the pro bowl player I think he can be..I will agree the jury is still out on him so to speak but in spite of the team around him He is playing very well..If you can't see that then you either don't know jack about football or you are a closet RGIII fan ! I asked this question before ..what QB do you think would make the redskins a top notch team now..like next week?? to the folks who don't like Kirk who would you bring in for the rest of the season of you could ..BRADY? ROGERS?NEWTON?Wilson?Brees?Manning?Dalton?Palmer?R yan?..what QB could come in here without a run game with no pass protection bad special teams and a losing culture thats going on a decade..who ?? Cousins is doing all he can do with what he has to work with! as far as the Dallas game IF Romo had not got hurt early in the year the Cowboye would have already clinched the division and most likely have at least 9 wins already..they have the 5th ranked D in the league ..its not like we got beat by a crap team .I bet you the Skins can get at least a number one pick for cousins now..dallas would love them some Cousins..so would a lot of other teams!

[Bucket]

No matter what happens. Kirk deserves an extension. He'll get the franchise tag most likely. He's top half of the league in performance for his position, and there isn't another option coming out that we can consider grabbing in our draft position.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

It would be deserving for some of you fans for Cousins to land somewhere else and be the pro bowl player I think he can be..I will agree the jury is still out on him so to speak but in spite of the team around him He is playing very well..If you can't see that then you either don't know jack about football or you are a closet RGIII fan ! I asked this question before ..what QB do you think would make the redskins a top notch team now..like next week?? to the folks who don't like Kirk who would you bring in for the rest of the season of you could ..BRADY? ROGERS?NEWTON?Wilson?Brees?Manning?Dalton?Palmer?R yan?..what QB could come in here without a run game with no pass protection bad special teams and a losing culture thats going on a decade..who ?? Cousins is doing all he can do with what he has to work with! as far as the Dallas game IF Romo had not got hurt early in the year the Cowboye would have already clinched the division and most likely have at least 9 wins already..they have the 5th ranked D in the league ..its not like we got beat by a crap team .I bet you the Skins can get at least a number one pick for cousins now..dallas would love them some Cousins..so would a lot of other teams!

Whoa hold on there.Our pass protection has been pretty good this yr,run blocking is a different story.Skins are one of the leaders in fewest sacks given up