Who is Kirk Cousins?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Notable that there's very little difference between 10th place and 20th place in the QBR rankings (which makes sense, it's a bell-curve based statistic).



Very safe to conclude that Kirk is an average NFL QB at this point in his career. Let's see what he does when all the chips are down over the next few weeks, then we'll have the big question in front of us: how much do we invest in an average QB with prime years remaining ahead of him?



Bengals got rewarded for investing in Andy Dalton...

All the chips have been down since the Giants game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by punch it in

All the chips have been down since the Giants game.

Quite right. In the games since:

Giants Week 12: 67.0, 15th in NFL
Cowboys Week 13: 42.9, 20th in NFL
Bears Week 14: 88.4, 5th in NFL

That averages out to a little better than middle of the road.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Very safe to conclude that Kirk is an average NFL QB at this point in his career. Let's see what he does when all the chips are down over the next few weeks, then we'll have the big question in front of us: how much do we invest in an average QB with prime years remaining ahead of him?

Bengals got rewarded for investing in Andy Dalton...

I'm not sure why some people bristle at Kirk being considered an average QB. I think you pay Kirk like an average journeyman QB.

RE: Dalton's was more proven at higher level of production when he signed his deal then Kirk is now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm not sure why some people bristle at Kirk being considered an average QB. I think you pay Kirk like an average journeyman QB.

RE: Dalton's was more proven at higher level of production when he signed his deal then Kirk is now.

I don't bristle at it. That's where he is right now. He's a middle of the pack starting QB. But you also seem to forget that he's really in his first year as a full time starter. And he also was not named the starter until late in pre season.

W/ KC there is still plenty of time and room for him to improve as long as management commits to him.

But you're basically calling him a "journeymen" type of QB. Matt Cassel is that type of QB, so is Brian Hoyer and Fitzpatrick. Those guys are never good enough to hold on to the job full time and end up with other teams. Right now that's not the case with KC.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't bristle at it. That's where he is right now. He's a middle of the pack starting QB.

Agreed.

But you also seem to forget that he's really in his first year as a full time starter. And he also was not named the starter until late in pre season.

Nah, I realize this is his first year as a fulltime starter. But this is his 4th year in the NFL. And lets be honest, last year Jay handed him the reigns. For all intents and purposes he became the fulltime starter week 3 in 2014; but as you describe with those other journeyman he didn't hold the job.

W/ KC there is still plenty of time and room for him to improve as long as management commits to him.

Maybe. No one is saying he can't improve. Only commenting on what we've seen thus far, which is all I can judge.

But you're basically calling him a "journeymen" type of QB. Matt Cassel is that type of QB, so is Brian Hoyer and Fitzpatrick. Those guys are never good enough to hold on to the job full time and end up with other teams. Right now that's not the case with KC.

Whatever label you want to put on it is fine with me. His production thus far is his production and he should be paid accordingly. Neither here nor there I think Kirk is better then Hoyer and Cassell and about on par with Fitzy.

[punch it in]

Exactly my thoughts chico. He did not see that guy. Not that that is a good thing but it happens.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Exactly my thoughts chico. He did not see that guy. Not that that is a good thing but it happens.

I must say, as much as people knock Kirk for his INTs, I was very surprised he threw one yesterday. I feel he has done a good job with ball security against teams that are not New England or Carolina.

[Schneed10]

I think the other thing that has to be considered is he's doing this with a very mediocre running game. If you told me in August that Alfred Morris and Matt Jones would combine to rush for 78 yards per game and 3.5 yards per carry (yes, those stats are real), and Cousins would have a 60+ QBR, I'd have told you you're crazy.

Those rushing stats are abysmal. Yet he's still turning in a respectable QB performance.

[Schneed10]

Mediocre is probably being kind.

[calia]

Not to sidetrack this, but what the heck is going on with the running game? I realize that Lauavo and Stiger going out hurt, but can it possibly be just that? It's amazing how much it has fallen off since the start of the season, with no real glimmer of significant improvement.

I was pretty thrilled with the last run from Jones -- 3rd and long and needed a 1st down to run out the game, and he beast-moded it (is that a term?). I suspect that I was not alone when I was nervous that the predicted run would net a yard or two, and that there'd be a long punt return. Jones really gutted that one out.

Back to Kirk, I think the guy has performed admirably under the circumstances. The run game has evaporated, our TEs keep going out hurt (thank goodness we've gotten as much Reed as we have this season), and his main deep threat has missed half of the season. He's certainly got my support, and I am really interested to see what we can build around him.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by calia

Not to sidetrack this, but what the heck is going on with the running game? I realize that Lauavo and Stiger going out hurt, but can it possibly be just that? It's amazing how much it has fallen off since the start of the season, with no real glimmer of significant improvement.

I was pretty thrilled with the last run from Jones -- 3rd and long and needed a 1st down to run out the game, and he beast-moded it (is that a term?). I suspect that I was not alone when I was nervous that the predicted run would net a yard or two, and that there'd be a long punt return. Jones really gutted that one out.

Back to Kirk, I think the guy has performed admirably under the circumstances. The run game has evaporated, our TEs keep going out hurt (thank goodness we've gotten as much Reed as we have this season), and his main deep threat has missed half of the season. He's certainly got my support, and I am really interested to see what we can build around him.

I think yeah, that's pretty much it. Rib's snaps are a problem, the timing is often pretty rough. You see him snap it a half beat slow or a half beat fast, meaning the whole line looks like it's coming off the ball slowly.

I keep seeing us having to run off tackle, which is a sign that the interior isn't winning. Rib and Long aren't nimble enough in there to maintain leverage, they give up a lot of penetration. So we end up being pretty darn predictable in there.

And I think Steiger had a good eye for adjusting run blocking schemes given what he sees when the defense lines up.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by calia

Not to sidetrack this, but what the heck is going on with the running game? I realize that Lauavo and Stiger going out hurt, but can it possibly be just that? It's amazing how much it has fallen off since the start of the season, with no real glimmer of significant improvement.

I was pretty thrilled with the last run from Jones -- 3rd and long and needed a 1st down to run out the game, and he beast-moded it (is that a term?). I suspect that I was not alone when I was nervous that the predicted run would net a yard or two, and that there'd be a long punt return. Jones really gutted that one out.

Back to Kirk, I think the guy has performed admirably under the circumstances. The run game has evaporated, our TEs keep going out hurt (thank goodness we've gotten as much Reed as we have this season), and his main deep threat has missed half of the season. He's certainly got my support, and I am really interested to see what we can build around him.

The Redskins have been forced to put offensive linemen in place of the injured tight ends in heavy run situations. This is an obvious run formation and is limiting the Skins run production. There is no threat of passing the ball in this formation. The Skins fake the jet sweep but I haven't seen them run it. Without the tight ends, they may need to run more out of the spread and use the jet sweep to Rodgers, Crowder or Jackson.

[Chico23231]

Redskins vs. Bears - Box Score - December 13, 2015 - ESPN

Box score from our game with da bears. Take a look at cutler and cousins numbers...if you look at qbr, cousins lights up cutler. If you look at the individual box score, u will see the qb rating...cutler beats cousins 117 vs 104. Interesting...

Too me, I think cousins outplayed cutler just based on watching the game, but I don't think cutler played poorly.

Does qbr take into account of cousins rushing score?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Redskins vs. Bears - Box Score - December 13, 2015 - ESPN

Box score from our game with da bears. Take a look at cutler and cousins numbers...if you look at qbr, cousins lights up cutler. If you look at the individual box score, u will see the qb rating...cutler beats cousins 117 vs 104. Interesting...

Too me, I think cousins outplayed cutler just based on watching the game, but I don't think cutler played poorly.

Does qbr take into account of cousins rushing score?

The interception hurt Cousins QB rating, but at the end of the day we won so who cares about QB rating?

[30gut]

Top 20 unrestricted free agents for 2016

14. Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins quarterback: Replacement level starting quarterbacks are worth plenty, and that appears to be Cousins' floor. At worst, he's a poor man's Andy Dalton with room to improve over time. He has more value to the Redskins than anyone else.