Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Chico23231]

You like that? When it comes to Kirk Cousins' season, the answer is mi - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

good article...I agree

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You like that? When it comes to Kirk Cousins' season, the answer is mi - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN



good article...I agree

Three of the last four games are good? His first real season at the helm and I see progression halted by one of the best defenses in the league. Also what this article fails to mention is he has done all of this with a piss poor defense and zero run game. For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want, he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Three of the last four games are good? His first real season at the helm and I see progression halted by one of the best defenses in the league. Also what this article fails to mention is he has done all of this with a piss poor defense and zero run game. For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want, he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.

is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..

Last time I checked you do not get a whole lot of experience sitting. So in that way all three were rookies. Yes. Also both of them jumped into a pretty good situation. Not like Kirk.
Edit: its a team fucking sport and you must realize comparing those packer teams and this denver team to what we have is the only reason u should be syfh.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

is Brock Osweiler a rookie too? What about when Aaron Rodgers started after sitting...he was a rookie as well? SMFH..

Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see who he plays against the Pats.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see who he plays against the Pats.

My sources tell me its the Pats...

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

My sources tell me its the Pats...

lol..."how" that is.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Osweiler has started one game against a bad defense and they were able to run the ball. He will have his struggles. Let's see who he plays against the Pats.

1st start on the road against a team that's been playing better the second half of the season in a spot that not necessarily an easy place to play...You had to be impressed. 78 QBR as well.

Look, he is on a better team...not only does he have the pressure to finally get his turn and perform, but he is responsible for maintaining a playoff run and following a legend at his position. This isn't rebuilding where you can afford to make a lot of mistakes and shrug it off ala Cousins.

Pats gonna be a test for sure, Ill be watching.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

..... and zero run game. For a "rookie" which we can argue about all we want, he is playing quite well all things considered. Certainly worthy of another year where we give him some more help imo.

For me Kirk has to earn another year with his play down the stretch this season. Is he a good back-up, stop gap starter or quality starter? For me its too early to say but he'll get the chance to prove himself.

He's certainly not a rookie in my book, I expect better then rookie level performance. The run game"handicap" is a dual sided coin imo Jay's penchant towards creating a passing to feature Kirk comes at the expense of run game commitment/success.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by 30gut

For me Kirk has to earn another year with his play down the stretch this season. Is he a good back-up, stop gap starter or quality starter? For me its too early to say but he'll get the chance to prove himself.

He's certainly not a rookie in my book, I expect better then rookie level performance. The run game"handicap" is a dual sided coin imo Jay's penchant towards creating a passing to feature Kirk comes at the expense of run game commitment/success.

Kirk is not a rookie but he is not an experienced veteran either. He is closer to the rookie end due to sitting on the bench most of his first couple years in the league. He is showing some growing pains but that is to be expected when a QB is learning on the job, which all players do.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

He is closer to the rookie end due to sitting on the bench most of his first couple years in the league. .

To each their own.

Kirk has 4 years in the NFL and has started some games every season. Those 4 years of experience, practice, team meetings separate him from a rookie. On top of that he's had an unusual amount of organizational support for 4th round QB.

Grading Kirk on a rookie level, due to growing pains, imo isn't the correct prism to view his performance.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To each their own.



Kirk has 4 years in the NFL and has started some games every season. Those 4 years of experience, practice, team meetings separate him from a rookie. On top of that he's had an unusual amount of organizational support for 4th round QB.



Grading Kirk on a rookie level, due to growing pains, imo isn't the correct prism to view his performance.

Started 9 games in his first three years. Played in 14. No matter how you cut it when this year began he had not even "appeared" in one entire seasons worth of games. That is all the experience he has had. Team meetings? Really? Lmao.
Edit : grading him as a veteran due to team meetings and lunch with the guys is hardly the correct prism for viewing his performance either. Like Brody said he is "closer" to being a rookie. No matter how many times he has used the bathroom at Redskins Park, or sharpened his pencils, or parked in the players only parking lot, or.....

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Started 9 games in his first three years. Played in 14. No matter how you cut it when this year began he had not even "appeared" in one entire seasons worth of games. That is all the experience he has had.

Is that more experience then a rookie?

Edit : grading him as a veteran due to team meetings and lunch with the guys is hardly the correct prism for viewing his performance either...

You can grade him however you like.

Lol, dismiss practice time, team meetings and QB meetings as inconsequential. Lol. For me grading him as a rookie or close to rookie is giving him a pass because factually he has more actual NFL playing experience then a rookie.

No need to go round and round about it.
We disagree.

...Well...

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

To each their own.

Kirk has 4 years in the NFL and has started some games every season. Those 4 years of experience, practice, team meetings separate him from a rookie. On top of that he's had an unusual amount of organizational support for 4th round QB.

Grading Kirk on a rookie level, due to growing pains, imo isn't the correct prism to view his performance.

You may be shocked to know that I actually agree with you on this point. I don't think of Kirk as having the equivalent experience of a rookie starter. IMHO, he has certainly had more time and opportunity to develop than a rookie.

On another point, Coach Gruden has declared the upcoming game versus the Giants a "must win" game. Let's see how Kirk does under this type of pressure. At present, I think Kirk is probably a mid-tier NFL QB whereas you think he has more to prove before he is re-signed to be our starter. One of us may change his mind based on how he performs on Sunday. I hope it's not me.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You may be shocked to know that I actually agree with you on this point. I don't think of Kirk as having the equivalent experience of a rookie starter. IMHO, he has certainly had more time and opportunity to develop than a rookie.



On another point, Coach Gruden has declared the upcoming game versus the Giants a "must win" game. Let's see how Kirk does under this type of pressure. At present, I think Kirk is probably a mid-tier NFL QB whereas you think he has more to prove before he is re-signed to be our starter. One of us may change his mind based on how he performs on Sunday. I hope it's not me.

Nobody is saying he is a rookie. We are saying he is closer to a rookie than a 4 year veteran. All of his "time" as a Redskins has been under two different coaching staffs and loaded with the baggage that is RG-3.
Edit: nothing garners experience like playing time. Nothing. Not team meetings or your face printed on football cards or anything.
The fact he is showing any improvement at all is no surprise as it is his first year actually playing all of it.