Who is Kirk Cousins?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

I just cant believe the double standard. I believe JC was a check down QB and people screamed at him yet KC is doing the same thing and most people are praising him. He reminds me of Chad Pennington smart QB arm not strong enough and looks like an NFL QB. I hope we don't make the same mistake Miami made with Tannenhill and sign KC to a stupid contract extension. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and our best QB doesn't dress on Sunday. Please come up with something better than is that Griffin must be Griffin typing that. Sheep.

Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.

Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.



The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.

But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.



Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Wow. So Griff, alot like HOF'er Marcus Allen, was railroaded and it has nothing to do with the absolute horrid play we have seen in both pre and regular seasons dating back to 2013? KC has not flat out earned the job? Ok. Also if Fitz was on this team you would bench Kirk in his favor? If you think Fitz is better rite now I can only imagine that would be the next logical step? SMFH.

Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, yeah because that what I wrote right?

Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isnt even remotely in that argument imo.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yeah that's exactly what you wrote. Stand by your post. You said that Griffs situation is like Marcus Allens and that its personal. Completely insinuating that Cousins has not outplayed Griff on the field and earned the job. How the hell else can that be interpreted? You also said that u think KC is rite below Fitz. If u think the guy is a better qb than obviously you think he should start if he were on the team. If Brady or Cam or several other qb's were on our team that i think are better than Cousins than your damn straight they should start. Fitz isn't even remotely in that argument imo.

Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.

Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.

Cheers!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.



Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.



Cheers!

I dont give a hell about their numbers. Ill just strait up tell you that if they were both on the redskins rite now that KC would be the starter if it were up to me. And you can split hairs about my word choice or my supposed lack of understanding the two words. Dont care. What you said and than didnt say is all there in black and white. And what you exactly insinuated is that Fitz would be starting for us, and Griff is not starting because Jay does not like him even though he is the superior qb based on performance ability and blah blah blah.
I simply disagreed. Than you tried to back track and act as if u did not say such things. Again....stand by your posts, no matter how silly they are.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont give a hell about their numbers.

Lol, obviously. And 'not giving a hell about their numbers' is convenient place to stand.

Ill just strait up tell you that if they were both on the redskins rite now that KC would be the starter if it were up to me.

Um should I get you some cookies?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, from this post it appears you struggle with what the words 'exactly' and 'insinuate' mean. But, you don't need me to spin yourself in circles. By all means continue. It amuses me.

Btw, after you get done chasing your tail maybe you could post Fitz vs Kirk this year? Or not, either way makes no difference to me.

Cheers!

Kirk edges Fitz in DYAR and DVOA:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015

And passer rating:

NFL Stats: by Player Position

With a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:

2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN

But really, what do you think about not drafting a QB this year?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Kirk edges Fitz in DYAR and DVOA:



FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2015



And passer rating:



NFL Stats: by Player Position



With a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:



2015 NFL Team Rushing Stats - National Football League - ESPN



But really, what do you think about not drafting a QB this year?

Shhhh. Dont tell 30 gut or he wont offer you cookies.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by dyoungjelly

kirk edges fitz in dyar and dvoa:

football outsiders: Innovative statistics, intelligent analysis | quarterbacks 2015

and passer rating:

nfl stats: By player position

with a rushing attack that is 28th in yards per carry:

2015 nfl team rushing stats - national football league - espn

but really, what do you think about not drafting a qb this year?

That was PERFECT!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Oh to be sure there are tons of double standards/double think when it comes to Jay's "development" of the QBs here. Especially in this forum where many of the most vociferous Cult of Kirk proponents spout. There is an understandable lack of objectivity because fans generally want the coach, team and FO to be right when they make decisions. Therefore there is an intrinsic urge to believe in what the franchise is doing. We want Kirk to be the guy because he's the guy the HC chose. And because we want him to be the guy some overlook flaws or anoint him as a higher tier QB then he's proven.

The Griffin situation here, to me, is an example of manufactured disapproval. It reminds me of Al Davis-Marcus Allen, except with modern viral back channel sports media sources/leaks.
But its all moot though, regardless of Griffin's superior talent/potential and production right/wrong/indifferent the HC here chose Kirk.

Back to Kirk. He does have arm talent/overall physical talent limitations compared top guys. But, he can be a productive QB in this offense. For me he's just shy of the Fitz right now and has the potential to be a Schaub (in Houston). And I think Scott will be more prudent then to give Kirk a Tannehill type deal.

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations? Allen was benched cause it was personal w/ Al Davis. Griffin was benched for performance.

Allen was one of the most respected and well liked guys on the team. Not to mention he was a truly GREAT player. Just not the case with Griffin.

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are you seriously, with a straight face going to compare the two situations?

Yes.

Obviously, very few situations are exactly alike but for me their situations have common elements.
If you're really interested in what I think those common elements are feel free to PM. But is this thread really the place for that?

Also. you keep mentioning Griffin's superior skill set. And he is probably better than KC in a combine setting. But when it actually comes down to dropping back with an actual pass rush, that's where KC is and has always been better.

We don't need to re-hash this. It seems many like to pretend that Griffin's rookie year didn't actually happen....but it did. And his superior talent, potential and production were on display.

Now do you want to quibble over old stuff where we disagree or acknowledge common ground where we agree that Kirk is better in this offense with Jay?