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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

And yet you continually miss the point that most people, including most NAs, don't consider "redskins" a slur. Especially in current usage (the football team).

And again, we have been though this before, with you claiming it was racist, and even trying to claim evidence that didn't even use the actual word in a racist way. And I called you on it then.

Instead you continue display your ignorance, whether it's genuine or trolling on your part. Ignorance is apparently an opinion too, so thank you for displaying it as a Giants fan, I actually appreciate that as a Redskins fan.

What is ignorant is not understand the other side of the argument.You say there is none so anyone who tries to explain it to you is in your words"ignorant"I feel sorry for you .As I have said before for this to be coming out now or even two years ago is HS and I actually back DS on this issue .Now for you to say the most NA's feel like you do or the word was never a racial slur is not correct believe me or don't it makes no difference to me all I'm doing is voicing my opinion in a forum. You say you called me on it and I threw it back at you .It's called an honest debate.

'Redskins' Is Officially a Dictionary-Defined Racial Slur—in All Cases - ICTMN.com


This one says pretty much what you and I both say!

Is 'Redskins' a racial slur? Blackfeet weigh in

and another...........

When Slang Becomes a Slur - The Atlantic

and last for now.

Washington Redskins trademark ruling: 8 ways 'Redskin' is a slur - POLITICO


Merry Christmas and Best of luck Sat!

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Giantone

What is ignorant is not understand the other side of the argument.You say there is none so anyone who tries to explain it to you is in your words"ignorant"I feel sorry for you .As I have said before for this to be coming out now or even two years ago is HS and I actually back DS on this issue .Now for you to say the most NA's feel like you do or the word was never a racial slur is not correct believe me or don't it makes no difference to me all I'm doing is voicing my opinion in a forum. You say you called me on it and I threw it back at you .It's called an honest debate.

'Redskins' Is Officially a Dictionary-Defined Racial Slur—in All Cases - ICTMN.com


This one says pretty much what you and I both say!

Is 'Redskins' a racial slur? Blackfeet weigh in

and another...........

When Slang Becomes a Slur - The Atlantic

and last for now.

Washington Redskins trademark ruling: 8 ways 'Redskin' is a slur - POLITICO


Merry Christmas and Best of luck Sat!

Did you read your Blackfoot article? It is largely Pro-Redskin. If that is your position, you have done well. If yours is "slur" you may want to read the piece.......

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Did you read your Blackfoot article? It is largely Pro-Redskin. If that is your position, you have done well. If yours is "slur" you may want to read the piece.......

Please read what it is I wrote ,yes I am pro name and have said nothing different but don't tell me all NA aren't against it and don't tell me it was never a slur.Through times things change but All I started out to do was show both sides becuase in an open debate you must present both sides.

I posted the Blackfoot artical to show that even members of the same tribe are not in agreement on this thing,if you read the whole thing it's not largely it's about half.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Please read what it is I wrote ,yes I am pro name and have said nothing different but don't tell me all NA aren't against it and don't tell me it was never a slur.Through times things change but All I started out to do was show both sides becuase in an open debate you must present both sides.

I posted the Blackfoot artical to show that even members of the same tribe are not in agreement on this thing,if you read the whole thing it's not largely it's about half.

are we not supposed to be living in a democracy? . . . and in a democracy, does the majority not rule? . . . when a tiny minority gets their way in things like this that means the majority does not rule and the democracy is broken . . . there are TONS (a whole lot more than 10%) of people that are offended by strip clubs, pornagraphy, etc. . . . but those still exist . . . and are not going away

[HailGreen28]

LOL, well now you are just plain adorable, giantone. And contradicting your earlier positions. But OK for fun let's take you at your word... glad you have seen the light!

Originally Posted by Giantone

What is ignorant is not understand the other side of the argument.You say there is none so anyone who tries to explain it to you is in your words"ignorant"I feel sorry for you .

No, I have said the "washington redskins name is racist" side is WRONG. And proven it to you before, your denials notwithstanding.

Originally Posted by Giantone

As I have said before for this to be coming out now or even two years ago is HS and I actually back DS on this issue

Wonderful, DS' position is:

Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that he is adamant he doesn't have to bow to pressure to change his team's nickname because it's not disparaging to Native Americans but instead a term of honor and respect.

So I am glad we can agree on this, giantone!

Originally Posted by Giantone

Now for you to say the most NA's feel like you do or the word was never a racial slur is not correct

(underline mine) Oh for the love of... giant one, you can't get ONE POST done without contradicting yourself. BTW you dishonestly state my position as well. For starter, I NEVER SAID the term was "never" used as a slur. I have REPEATEDLY said that the name wasn't used originally as a slur, that novelists and movie-makers took the name and used it as a slur. (and btw they did the same to just about any nickname for NA's "indian" "injun" "chief" "red man" during that time period) Since then the name has been used as Dan Snyder described, by the Washington football team, and other teams including some NA teams!, as a name to root for, symbolizing strength, honor, and respect. And that's how the name is commonly used today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...9a2_story.html

And again giantone, poll after poll has proven most Americans and most NAs don't support changing the name "redskins".

Americans (including NAs)

NAs

More

All this, despite a long and vocal whine from the PC crowd of the easily offended which has been noted is mainly other ethnicities than NAs, is actually pretty remarkable this day and age.

Originally Posted by Giantone

believe me or don't it makes no difference to me all I'm doing is voicing my opinion in a forum. You say you called me on it and I threw it back at you .It's called an honest debate.

Giantone, you did nothing but trot out the same already disproven assertions you tried before through proxy, by citing links already disproven. AND YOU LIED ABOUT MY POSITION ABOVE. I underlined it for everyone to see. Please don't ever call yourself an honest debater after this, not to mention way back when you lied during a gun control debate about what RedskinRat said, and about "not wanting to take you guns away" and then cheering a NY law that did just that.

Originally Posted by Giantone;1134054[url=http://indiancountrytodaymedianetwork.com/2014/07/02/redskins-officially-dictionary-defined-racial-slur-all-cases-155614

'Redskins' Is Officially a Dictionary-Defined Racial Slur—in All Cases - ICTMN.com[/url]

Already refuted this thread.

Originally Posted by Giantone

This one says pretty much what you and I both say!

Is 'Redskins' a racial slur? Blackfeet weigh in

It MOSTLY says pretty much what *I* have said, not anything you have directly said...

Originally Posted by Giantone

and another...........

When Slang Becomes a Slur - The Atlantic

and last for now.

Washington Redskins trademark ruling: 8 ways 'Redskin' is a slur - POLITICO

Merry Christmas and Best of luck Sat!

And here we go again. giantone, these links oppose the position that Dan Synder takes on the name "Redskins". So which is it, giantone? Who's position do you REALLY support?


And by the way, you owe me an apology for lying about what I have said in this debate. And you did it in the same paragraph you claimed you were "throwing back" at me an "honest debate". Apologize.

[Giantone]

I apologize that you can't seem to understand an honest debate. I have said what I have said about this and I have been consistent .We agree to disagree on your perception of my opinion .
Enjoy your teams great victory and enjoy the fact that your team is the NFC East Champs and your trip into the post season.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I apologize that you can't seem to understand an honest debate.

LOL. Another insult. (see above)

Originally Posted by Giantone

I have said what I have said about this and I have been consistent .

Another lie. (See above)

Originally Posted by Giantone

We agree to disagree on your perception of my opinion .

Another lie about what I am saying. (See above) SMH

Originally Posted by Giantone

Enjoy your teams great victory and enjoy the fact that your team is the NFC East Champs and your trip into the post season.

And the usual platitude from you that you obviously don't mean, considering your continued lying the same post. LOL.

Not sure a better term for you is either "trolling" or with the way you posted links earlier "debating in bad faith", or "debating by proxy".

Whatever decription is best Giantone, your "apology" is kinda like if Odell Beckham tried acting like a good sport after the panthers game. Pretty transparent.

That's all, unless you want to re-hash the same refuted stuff. This is gonna seem so fake, but it's not: Happy Holidays, giantone.

[Zerohero]

I'm in Arizona now so i get to run into some Natives every now and then, also live by some reservations. You still see a lot of them going to Redskin games wearing their Redskin jerseys. Just had an old friend of the family visit thats works on a Hopi reservation near Flagstaff. She sees a lot of Redskin gear over there.
I remember the local news talking about protests at the game, but i didnt see any last year. I was tailgating most of day so i figured to see something.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

I'm in Arizona now so i get to run into some Natives every now and then, also live by some reservations. You still see a lot of them going to Redskin games wearing their Redskin jerseys. Just had an old friend of the family visit thats works on a Hopi reservation near Flagstaff. She sees a lot of Redskin gear over there.
I remember the local news talking about protests at the game, but i didnt see any last year. I was tailgating most of day so i figured to see something.

the "protest" was about 10 people, so i'm not surprised you missed it.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by That Guy

the "protest" was about 10 people, so i'm not surprised you missed it.

I think that was pretty much the heart and soul of the Oneida nation.........

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

I'm in Arizona now so i get to run into some Natives every now and then, also live by some reservations. You still see a lot of them going to Redskin games wearing their Redskin jerseys. Just had an old friend of the family visit thats works on a Hopi reservation near Flagstaff. She sees a lot of Redskin gear over there.
I remember the local news talking about protests at the game, but i didn't see any last year. I was tailgating most of day so i figured to see something.

i can't remember where i seen this, but a couple of years back i read and article regarding NAtive Americans and their favorite sports teams. A poll of around 5000 Native Americans shown that, even when including all sports, the number 1 team that native americans root for is the Washington Redskins and when some of the Native Americans were interviewed, they stated the name and logo as the reason they were fans.