Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[offiss]

[QUOTE=RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

There is no comparison right here like Ramsey/Brunell. Holdman is nowhere close to the caliber player as LaVar. When GW came in last year he made a point in saying he was moving LaVar back to Weak side LB so he could freelance and make big plays. Now all of a sudden he doesn't want that. What has Holdman done that has saved a game. I did see him out of position when Tatum broke that second run. LaVar would have broke those blocks and he would have been stopped and WE WIN! Nobody can tell me that Holdman or Clemons can be trusted more. Weakside LB is not like Middle or Strongside. If LaVar was in the middle, I could totally understand where GW is coming from. If nobody remembers, but Warrick was picked up this last offseason and LaVar has been learning this system as long as anyone else so I dont buy that they can't trust him. We need LA and thats it. Please dont compare it to Brunell/Ramsey....

I have seen Lavar over persue play's time and again and get burned, there's no way to know if he makes those plays on Bell.

The funny part about this whole thing is Lavar doesn't seem to want to listen to Williams, apparently he continues to believe he knows more than GW and refuses to do what's asked of him, he's his own worst enemy.

[MTK]

[QUOTE=RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ugh, this is seriously turning in to Ramsey/Brunell all over again.

There is no comparison right here like Ramsey/Brunell. Holdman is nowhere close to the caliber player as LaVar. When GW came in last year he made a point in saying he was moving LaVar back to Weak side LB so he could freelance and make big plays. Now all of a sudden he doesn't want that. What has Holdman done that has saved a game. I did see him out of position when Tatum broke that second run. LaVar would have broke those blocks and he would have been stopped and WE WIN! Nobody can tell me that Holdman or Clemons can be trusted more. Weakside LB is not like Middle or Strongside. If LaVar was in the middle, I could totally understand where GW is coming from. If nobody remembers, but Warrick was picked up this last offseason and LaVar has been learning this system as long as anyone else so I dont buy that they can't trust him. We need LA and thats it. Please dont compare it to Brunell/Ramsey....

The simple comparison is this, here we are yet again openly questioning the decision making of this staff, and in some extreme cases questioning our coaches integrity saying this decision is somehow personal and/or to feed someone's ego.

I have no problem with someone not agreeing with the decision, after all that's what we're here for. But to hear some people take it to such extremes as to question the knowledge and integrity of our coaches is really ridiculous and a slap in the face to what these guys are all about.

Saying you don't agree is one thing, but saying that Williams doesn't know what he's doing, he's hurting the team by not playing him, etc., etc., is laughable.

These same kind of comments were directed towards Gibbs when he benched Ramsey, and look how that has turned out. That should have been enough to show us that hey, maybe these coaches know what they're doing after all.

If we can't trust the coaches who can we trust?

[monk81]

I'll trust Williams and his decisions and afterall, didn't Lavar cry that Gibbs and the Skins are rushing him along after his injury and showed no compassion.........

[Longtimefan]

There are some who are convinced of the fact LaVar has never truly embraced JG and this coaching staff. How many remember the very first interview with LaVar after JG anounced he was returning to the team? He did not receive a ringing endorsement from LaVar. It was more or less "We have been loosing so much, and to the effect he was leary things would change." JG has had several serious heart to heart talks with LaVar and we as fans do not know the degree of those discussions. There has been so many things going on with him in the last eighteen months that I'm sure if we knew all the factors to be considered, maybe we would have a better understanding of why he is not playing. There are obviously many things to consider and the most important ones have not been printed. Joe Gibbs is the face of the Redskins now, and it could be that is not exactly to LaVar's liking.

[hands11]

Redskins pregame show. Williams was interviewed. He dodged the LaVar question. Then, right after, they started talking about the Denver offense.

The very first words out of his mouth were, the coaching is amazing. The change the offense to fix the talent they have.

After I got my jaw off the ground, I game to post this.


Ahhh, hello. How can you admire that so much in another coach but you don't do it yourself. Actually, changing the plays to fit the offense is something Gibbs was know for also.

I think in some ways Williams doenst need as many stars for his system. Actually, do some extend, he is probably better without them.

Maybe its one of those things we in 2 years, everyone can know the D well enough that you can get more agreesive from there.

[FRPLG]

I am not a big name caller but at the risk of sounding petty and bitchy anyone who thinks Lavar should be playing or that Lavar isn't playing for any other reason than performance issues is just plain retarded.

I'd love one of you morons to say to Williams' or Gibbs' face that Lavar isn't playing because of some contract dispute. I think Gibbs' might punch you and I imagine Williams' might have Sean Taylor kill you. How anyone can think that either of those guys would sacrifice the supposed playmaking ability that you all seem to think we cannot live without to the detriment of the team is mind boggling.

And to think that somehow the coaches just don't seem to understand how Lavar JUST HAS TO PLAY because he is so great is only slightly less moronic. You see anyone on our defense that freelances? No. Why not? Because their ass is on the bench when they do. Williams' defense is predicated on 11 guys doing their job. If the 11 guys play together and everyone does their job then the defense is going to win the battle. If one guy blows an assignment for any reason then they are screwed. Why? Because the other 10 guys are doing their job and don't have the ability to drop what they're doing to pick up someone else's mistake. There is no "Package" where they can just put Lavar in to rush the QB constantly. They'll get burned as soon as every team watches the tape and sees that all he does is rush the QB. He has to be able to play IN THE SCHEME otherwise he brings nothing but risk with little reward.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I am not a big name caller but at the risk of sounding petty and bitchy anyone who thinks Lavar should be playing or that Lavar isn't playing for any other reason than performance issues is just plain retarded.

I'd love one of you morons to say to Williams' or Gibbs' face that Lavar isn't playing because of some contract dispute. I think Gibbs' might punch you and I imagine Williams' might have Sean Taylor kill you. How anyone can think that either of those guys would sacrifice the supposed playmaking ability that you all seem to think we cannot live without to the detriment of the team is mind boggling.

And to think that somehow the coaches just don't seem to understand how Lavar JUST HAS TO PLAY because he is so great is only slightly less moronic. You see anyone on our defense that freelances? No. Why not? Because their ass is on the bench when they do. Williams' defense is predicated on 11 guys doing their job. If the 11 guys play together and everyone does their job then the defense is going to win the battle. If one guy blows an assignment for any reason then they are screwed. Why? Because the other 10 guys are doing their job and don't have the ability to drop what they're doing to pick up someone else's mistake. There is no "Package" where they can just put Lavar in to rush the QB constantly. They'll get burned as soon as every team watches the tape and sees that all he does is rush the QB. He has to be able to play IN THE SCHEME otherwise he brings nothing but risk with little reward.

so... you're right and anyone that disagrees is retarded? that's an intelligent way to argue

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by That Guy

so... you're right and anyone that disagrees is retarded? that's an intelligent way to argue

I thought my little preface to that statement would clue some in that I in fact didn't feel that way. My point was that this is the lamest discussion that has ever graced this board. How anyone can even believe that Lavar isn't playing for something other than performance reasons really is beyond mind boggling. You'd have to make a lot of contrary assumptions in the face fact to believe that. You'd also have to think that all of the coaches are lying and that the beat reporters are completely clueless along with the other players. It would have to either be a complete coverup or everyone involved is stupid. That is not reasonable to assume. He isn't playing because he isn't that good for our defense. Why can't people leave it at that? WE KNOW NOTHING COMPARED THE GIBBS AND WILLIAMS. They aren't missing the boat on Arrington. They see him every day and up til now he sucks enough to sit his ass on the bench. It is simple!!!!!!!!! We're not talking about something that is difficult to understand. Why is there even discussion on this?

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

You'd have to make a lot of contrary assumptions in the face fact to believe that. You'd also have to think that all of the coaches are lying and that the beat reporters are completely clueless along with the other players.

I guess you don't watch ESPN or read the local papers much, because several sports reporter and analysts(i.e. Kornheiser, Wilbon, Salisbury, Howie Long, Mike Ditka, etc.) have said that there is more to LaVar not playing than simply "not performing in practice". Most have also stated that it is a slap in the face to LaVar to make him suit up in full pads, just to sit on the bench like he's being punished.

[RedskinNation21]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I guess you don't watch ESPN or read the local papers much, because several sports reporter and analysts(i.e. Kornheiser, Wilbon, Salisbury, Howie Long, Mike Ditka, etc.) have said that there is more to LaVar not playing than simply "not performing in practice". Most have also stated that it is a slap in the face to LaVar to make him suit up in full pads, just to sit on the bench like he's being punished.

THANK YOU

[wolfeskins]

the skins are just getting back at lavar for his actions during the off season and to keep him healthy so they can trade him this upcoming off season, he's going to cost a lot of money. his not playing has nothing to do with his ability or lack of ability to play in GW's defense.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I thought my little preface to that statement would clue some in that I in fact didn't feel that way. My point was that this is the lamest discussion that has ever graced this board. How anyone can even believe that Lavar isn't playing for something other than performance reasons really is beyond mind boggling. You'd have to make a lot of contrary assumptions in the face fact to believe that. You'd also have to think that all of the coaches are lying and that the beat reporters are completely clueless along with the other players. It would have to either be a complete coverup or everyone involved is stupid. That is not reasonable to assume. He isn't playing because he isn't that good for our defense. Why can't people leave it at that? WE KNOW NOTHING COMPARED THE GIBBS AND WILLIAMS. They aren't missing the boat on Arrington. They see him every day and up til now he sucks enough to sit his ass on the bench. It is simple!!!!!!!!! We're not talking about something that is difficult to understand. Why is there even discussion on this?

I just went back to read some of your responces to see what it was you asked me. and to tell you the truth, it doesn't matter what I would say you would have called me wrong, or this or that. You get frustrated if someone doesn't agree with you. I hate to be the one to tell you, but your point of view may not be right either. As alot of the players in the NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL say this is a business, and if it means not playing a certain player because you defense if playing good without him, so lets save some money here, and limit his movement. You can't make the probowl if your not on field. but thats a seperate issue. There is no loyalty to players, teams, and mostly to the fans of the games. Teams can cut players and not pay the bonuses or remaining portions of the contract,except signing bonus, and players can walk out on their deals. The only loyalty going on here is by the fans. We buy all the stuff and drink the REDSKIN cool-aid all day long. Forgive those of us who feel there should be some loyalty shown by this team, that feel they owe a certain player the respect they deserve. They did the same thing to Brian Mitchell years ago. He did exactly what everyone said he would do, play with teams in the NFC east so he could play against us twice a year. We are the reason this team sells out every single game, and are the best fans in the NFL. You would feel the same way if you worked for a certain company and you went out sick or what ever and when you came back they had somebody doing your job and just pushed you to the side doing something you didn't want to do, or something they are not paying you to do. It happens everywhere. Maybe I am a little touched personally by the way they are treating LaVar, so what. I heard the dejection in his voice, the way he wants to be out there fighting for this team. He has been here through all the crappy years, and always said from day one he wanted to be a part of this team for as long as he plays , and he wanted to be here when things start turning around. I just think he deserves a TRUE shot at playing.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I just went back to read some of your responces to see what it was you asked me. and to tell you the truth, it doesn't matter what I would say you would have called me wrong, or this or that. You get frustrated if someone doesn't agree with you. I hate to be the one to tell you, but your point of view may not be right either. As alot of the players in the NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL say this is a business, and if it means not playing a certain player because you defense if playing good without him, so lets save some money here, and limit his movement. You can't make the probowl if your not on field. but thats a seperate issue. There is no loyalty to players, teams, and mostly to the fans of the games. Teams can cut players and not pay the bonuses or remaining portions of the contract,except signing bonus, and players can walk out on their deals. The only loyalty going on here is by the fans. We buy all the stuff and drink the REDSKIN cool-aid all day long. Forgive those of us who feel there should be some loyalty shown by this team, that feel they owe a certain player the respect they deserve. They did the same thing to Brian Mitchell years ago. He did exactly what everyone said he would do, play with teams in the NFC east so he could play against us twice a year. We are the reason this team sells out every single game, and are the best fans in the NFL. You would feel the same way if you worked for a certain company and you went out sick or what ever and when you came back they had somebody doing your job and just pushed you to the side doing something you didn't want to do, or something they are not paying you to do. It happens everywhere. Maybe I am a little touched personally by the way they are treating LaVar, so what. I heard the dejection in his voice, the way he wants to be out there fighting for this team. He has been here through all the crappy years, and always said from day one he wanted to be a part of this team for as long as he plays , and he wanted to be here when things start turning around. I just think he deserves a TRUE shot at playing.

You're damn right I frustrated here. We have fans sitting here and without good reason or knowledge accusing people of lying and having personal vendettas for whatever reason. I have a problem with that. My main frustration comes from the fact that not one of those people has brought up a valid argument as to why Gibbs and Co. are wrong and Lavar is right. I would love to hear one! I am not saying that there aren't any but i haven't seen one presented here. The arguments are almost all based in conjecture and emotion. I have not once been this confused as to an opposing argument on this board in over a year. I truly baffles me as to why there is this ground swell of support for lavar and this apparent distrust of Gibbs and Co.
This is how I see the argument basically breaking down:
-Lavar was good when actually played like two years ago. He can rush the passer and plays very athletically. He made big plays and was dominant.
-He is 100% healthy now and is better than both Holdman and Clemons.
-Arrington had a dispute with the FO on his contract that created some bad blood as well as hard feelings about his injury situation last year
---All this equals to Arrignton not playing because they don't like some of the things he ahs done in the past and are willing to forego what he'd bring to the table by benching him.

Is this accurate?

[Longtimefan]

It's that #56 Jersy they purchased, it "DEMANDS" that he plays. I'm still wearing #28.

[ST21]

well, now that we've got him shipped out of D.C.:FIREdevil