Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

However, it is starting to look like there is a personal issue in this.

Starting to look like it's personal???? LMAO

[onlydarksets]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Starting to look like it's personal???? LMAO

You need to distinguish the speculative rumors perpetuated by sports journalists. Lavar's statement is the first concrete information from ANYONE that he is on the bench for personal reasons.

Just because everyone IS out to get you doesn't mean doesn't mean you aren't paranoid

[#56fanatic]

what more do you need? the guys isn't even on the practice field. How can he prove it if he doesn't get the chance.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

I agree this isn't going to end well, but I don't see how this qualifies as "bitching". I stand by my original statement that that Lavar has not been disruptive about this. Can anyone honestly say that his comments are inappropriate? No, you can't. He's willing to play special teams, just to get a chance to play and prove himself. The only possible comment is where he says "I'm to the point now that it's overshadowing what we're doing." But that's just a statement of reality - this thing is overshadowing what the Skins are doing this season.

Bottom line is that Gibbs/GW feel that Lavar off the field makes the team better than him on the field. This doesn't require a conspiracy theory. Their reasons may be personal, professional, organizational, or some combination. However, it is starting to look like there is a personal issue in this.

Yeah I'd say this is bitching, or at least the beginning of it.

Before he was playing the good solider routine. The team is winning, so he was keeping his mouth shut. Now he's starting to vent and air his dirty laundry in public, which is probably the last thing the coaches want to see.

Not a smart move in my opinion, of course I understand he's frustrated, but this isn't going to help anything.

[FRPLG]

I refuse to believe that in the "animated" discussion Gibbs and Arrington reportedly had that they were discussing rib recipes. Seems weird that in the whole conversation Gibbs didn't tell him exactly why he wasn't playing and what he needed to do to get in the game. Maybe lavar didn't like what he heard and blocked it out.

[#56fanatic]

I know this is going to be the hot topic today after the 980 show, so lets get it started. Now, does anyone believe this is personal, an organizational thing, or is it because LaVar just can't play. I for one think its personal with all the offseason stuff, but would like to hear what everyone else has to say since the blow up on the radio.

It was only a matter of time before the truth came out, wonder what the coaching staff is going to say about him not on the field at practice either, or what lie that they come up with

GO LAVAR!! WE ARE BEHIND YOU

[cpayne5]

It absolutely is not personal. I don't understand why people think professional coaches and owners would risk their time, reputation, and money on nothing more than perceived vengeance. It just doesn't make sense. You have to trust that the coaching staff knows more than you or I (as crazy as that may seem) and that there are actually good reasons why 56 is on the bench.

[#56fanatic]

My response to you is why then is the coaching staff saying LaVar has to prove it on the practice field and then not even giving him the chance to prove it. The man does not practice, not at all. Whats with that? Tell me, honostly, Holdman is a better LB than LaVar. If you can honostly say that, I will be amazed.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

My response to you is why then is the coaching staff saying LaVar has to prove it on the practice field and then not even giving him the chance to prove it. The man does not practice, not at all. Whats with that? Tell me, honostly, Holdman is a better LB than LaVar. If you can honostly say that, I will be amazed.

Absolutely.

Root for the team, not the players.

[#56fanatic]

thats a joke! Then why to they market these players individually. I always root for washington, but man you have to be able to identify with the players. Looking at your age, I dont know if you remember the years Gibbs was here the first time, man the players were the same year in and year out, and dont tell me it cant happen. All the good teams(pats, eagles, steelers, carolina, ect. ) all have the same core group. LaVar is suppose to be the head of that core group, a "core redskin" now hes being tossed aside like a used up 40 year old QB.

[Luxorreb]

After reading the article in the Post, I say let him play against KC. We should be able to shut down their run with or without arrington. On the upside, Arrington could potentially cause some big plays. But on the downside it could be more 35-55 yd runs. I've seen video of his plays this season and 80% of them are real bad. I love Arrington and want him to play and make a difference on the D but he's gotta be real careful of being too ARROGANT. Me first attitude will ride the pine under Williams and Gibbs. I don't think Arrington is like that, atleast I hope not. His talking to the media about this is natural, he's frustrated, but he's seen the film like I have. He overruns and misses tackles. Sure he can put a knock out on someone, but what if he misses? The new Madden hitstick is more accurate at this point. I'm not saying Lavar has lost it at all, but give it all time. When he's back in the fold our gameplanning will surprise and shock the opposition. Just you wait. #56 will have a role this season other than 'collecting a check'.

[#56fanatic]

80% of his plays, so you have seen 7 plays. You can tell a man is not deserving of playing time through watching 7 plays. boy you are talented. I am sick of all these fans coming to Gibbs and GW rescue. The fact is they lied to us about LaVar, why he isn't playing. They keep saying to prove it in practice, knowing damn well he isn't getting on the field in practice. I give LaVar props for staying quite as long as he as. The Redskins have botched this with a proven probowler, for what ever reason. Makes no sense why Holdman, and Clemons is seeing the field instead of LaVar. Thats like taking out somebody like Urlacher and saying, well, you just dont fit in this D because we want to do this, come on the guy is talented enough to play the run, rush the passer, fast enough to play the pass and rome the field like a DB. Why do all these people keep sticking up for this staff? because its JOE, what JOE never botches anything. Dont you remember the Trotter thing? He basically said, well I messed that one up, hes very good. Now if he sees trotter play and thinks he is very good, how can he miss LaVars ability?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

It was only a matter of time before the truth came out, wonder what the coaching staff is going to say about him not on the field at practice either, or what lie that they come up with

GO LAVAR!! WE ARE BEHIND YOU

Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wow - pretty strong words based on one side of the story. Both Joe and GW have made it clear - stop freelancing. EVERY report - both from inside and sources around the league - blame LaVar's lack of playing time on his inability to play within the system - ANY SYSTEM.

He's not getting practice reps? Well, what does he do with the reps he gets? Apparently, he freelances (as usual). And your surprised this gets him fewer repetitions? If I'm GW, I'd do the same thing - "LaVar Show me you can practice within the system for a 3 or 4 packages. Can't do that? Okay, show me you can practice within the system for two packages. Can't do that? Show me you can practice within the system for ONE package. How about for just one rep? Can't do that? Guess what - I am giving your reps to someone who understands and is capable of playing the system AND who will improve and show himself capable of growing WITHIN the system."

LaVar's incredible athletic talent doesn't mean he is entitled to playing time. Despite his athleticism, it's teamwork not individual athleticism that wins championships (SI recently conducted a player poll asking "Outside of Vick, who is the most athletic player" - Every team accept one had players listed. The only team without a "most athletic" player? New England). To his credit, LaVar has been a team player and has not been disruptive - but even a good attitude doesn't warrant playing time. Athleticism, attitude AND most importantly discipline will get LaVar his practice reps and his playing time. But first, clearly, LaVar has to reestablish the trust GW gave him initially but then lost through LaVar's inability to practice or play disciplined football.

LaVar is frustrated, but all that has to happen is for the little light to go on in his head that says "Do what the coaches tell me to do". I have yet to hear him say "I am doing what they tell me to do, but they still won't play me" or simply (as you assert) "the coaches lied to me, they promised me X and I got Y". Other than Ramsey and LaVar, I have yet to see or hear any player rumblings about unfair treatment. And, in each of those cases, the players themselves haven't alleged they were lied to by the coaches. Rather, each complained that they simple weren't given the opportunity THEY felt they deserved. Further, not one other player has even hinted that they felt LaVar was getting a bum deal. Instead, it is "We know he wants to play." "With his talent, he could help us but we play as a team and everyone has to step up." Nobody is talking about how LaVar is really working on breaking down film or studying his role in the defense.

Don't get me wrong, I like LaVar. He is a tremendous athelete and a really good guy. But I also trust Joe - he ain't gonna air his laundry for us b/c, I believe, he feels that what is between a player and the coaches stays between the player and the coaches. Further, I think Gibbs reputation speaks for itself. You're calling Joe Gibbs a liar? or someone who tolerates liars on his staff? If your dealing in hyperbole, then it's simply uncalled for in what is already a touchy subject among fans. If you honestly believe this coaching staff lies to its players, then - sorry dude - that just blows your credibility. Please take your conspiracy theories to the appropriate X Files chatroom.

You may be behind LaVar (enjoy the bench), but I am behind the coaching staff that is playing winning football, that, apparently, has the confidence of the team, that has put up a couple of top 5 defenses, and that has historically won the trust and respect its players.

You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on??? Check all of the threads I've written or responded to, and you'll find that I agree with Gibbs/Williams on just about everything, and I tend to believe what they say as well. I don't doubt their ability or coaching experience. But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system?? Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??
How do you go from All-Pro to a healthy fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told.

How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

You guys kill me....all of a sudden LaVar is this super freelancer?? Come the hell on???

Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

But please don't tell me LaVar has fallen that far from grace as one of the most dominant linebackers in the NFL to someone who all of a sudden can't pick up a system??

First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Someone who freelances so much that he can't get reps in practice?? I mean, does that even sound right?? Seriously??

Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How do you go from All-Pro to a healthy fifth string linebacker? I'm not saying they are lying but certainly the whole story isn't being told.

By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How could he go from being the face of the Redskins one year to the butt of the Redskins the next??

NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.