Preston Smith

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I think under SM, the days of signing High Profile $$$ guys are pretty much gone
........blessfully

I wouldn't sign Williams.

[skinsfan69]

Signing Williams would be such a Vinny move.

[Chico23231]

I didn't even realize Mario Williams was on the field when we played the bills...but he was. Looked back to see, he had one tackle. There is no way I would want this guy

[That Guy]

well, MW wasn't used well in buffalo this year, last year he was great for them.

that said i wouldn't want to be in line to pay him. 30, still has some years left, but he'll be overpaid for sure. and that extra money over JG or whoever else probably wouldn't be merited. you'd also get stuck with expensive dead years after his play declines (which is likely), so i think making no move here is the right call. too much risk.

and as other have said, guys like kirk or dj and compton etc etc are going to need some money, they're much safer investments, since we've already seen them work in our system and how they fit in with the other players on this team.

[Schneed10]

Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.

add Roberts, Riley, Jeron Johnson, and Kory Lichtensteiger

renegotiate D Hall

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

add Roberts, Riley, Jeron Johnson, and Kory Lichtensteiger

renegotiate D Hall

Roberts for certain.

Steiger, no way I get rid of him. The difference in the run blocking with and without him is drastic. I wouldn't sit tight at center, I might draft one and see how the competition shakes out. But he's a savvy vet who can make a lot of adjustments and is still fairly agile.

Jeron Johnson is a minimum salary player. Or close to it. You don't save anything by cutting him. I have no idea why you'd do anything but bring him into camp and let him compete for his job.

Riley, I could see cutting him but only if you think Martrell Spaight and Mason Foster are your depth behind Compton.

Hall's salary is already low. I don't see a need to do anything there. Versatile player who is highly respected in the locker room.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Roberts for certain.

Steiger, no way I get rid of him. The difference in the run blocking with and without him is drastic. I wouldn't sit tight at center, I might draft one and see how the competition shakes out. But he's a savvy vet who can make a lot of adjustments and is still fairly agile.

Jeron Johnson is a minimum salary player. Or close to it. You don't save anything by cutting him. I have no idea why you'd do anything but bring him into camp and let him compete for his job.

Riley, I could see cutting him but only if you think Martrell Spaight and Mason Foster are your depth behind Compton.

Hall's salary is already low. I don't see a need to do anything there. Versatile player who is highly respected in the locker room.

Cutting Jeron Johnson would save about a 1/2 million over a rookie.

Cutting Riley saves $4 million, However, Compton is a Free Agent

Hall is scheduled to make $5 million in 2016

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Hatcher is probably the one I'd think about moving on from.

You're right. A good 3-4 DE can be found in the draft in the late rounds....and this particular football player would have a much higher motor than Jason Hatcher!

[sevier2]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

You're right. A good 3-4 DE can be found in the draft in the late rounds....and this particular football player would have a much higher motor than Jason Hatcher!

I don't know about higher motor, Hatch has always been a hustler who's known for his effort.

Better knees? Yeah you could find those for cheap in the draft.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by sevier2

I don't know about higher motor, Hatch has always been a hustler who's known for his effort.

Better knees? Yeah you could find those for cheap in the draft.

Hatcher is old. I really like the guy but that is the knock on him. Takes him longer to recover from the beating these guys take every week than a younger player.

He is still good, strong, and has fast twitch explosiveness. All that seems to fade as the fatigue from a season accumulates. I'm really hoping him sitting for the Dallas game gives him some pop to put Rodgers on his butt.

I think we should move on, but I really like the guy.

[JoeRedskin]

Hatcher is solid but not worth his cap number next year (8.75M) and releasing him saves 4.5M. So, yeah, he is likely gone unless he takes a significant pay cut. I don't really see any point in a restructure given the numbers involved, the production shown, and his age/injury factors. If he wants to come back he will have to make that happen.

Riley, maybe, maybe not. He has a 5M cap hit and releasing him saves 4M. He was pretty clearly outplayed by Compton and Foster. He really brings little to the table except experience and Compton already shows better instincts. He may be back, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut if Spaight steps up.

To me, Steig, Hall, Johnson pretty much no brainers for a return. Maybe restructure/extend DHall & Steig but they have manageable hits and are under contract for two years. No need to dick around with their k's. Both are signed through 2017 for manageable numbers (Stieg = 4M/yr; DHall = 5M/yr).

As an aside - much crow to eat on the DHall conversion to safety and impact of Johnson. Preseason, I was not in favor of DHall conversion; I did not think he had the skill set for it or the appropriate mind-set. I was wrong - DHall has been solid and improving in the position. Also, thought JJohnson was going to be a sneaky good impact signing by Scotty McC. Again, I was wrong; Johnson has really made little impact - even on special teams which were supposed to be his forte'.

[Chico23231]

As far as hatcher goes, you should be able to renegotiate with him...I'm fairly certain he has graded out as our top dline man. He been good. I'd like to see him back at s lower number.

No way Kory L is back with us. He was terrible and not a fit with Callahan. I'd look for a draft pick or a free agent. Leribus is gone too. There are some interesting free agents at center as well as depth in the draft. Quake mentioned a good one at Norte dame; Missouri, Wisconsin, Michigan st, and I believe Iowa has solid prospects.

Roberts is an easy cut.

D Hall u bring into camp and see if he makes it out.

I really like this Kearse kid at Clemson at strong safety, 6-5 220 lb.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As far as hatcher goes, you should be able to renegotiate with him...I'm fairly certain he has graded out as our top dline man. He been good. I'd like to see him back at s lower number.

No way Kory L is back with us. He was terrible and not a fit with Callahan.

kory's better than his replacements, and they liked him enough that he'll be back on the active roster and on the field for the playoffs, according to all accounts (short term IR).

one thing to keep in mind is you shouldn't get rid of people without some kind of replacement plan in place. you cut kory and replace him with who? a rookie 4th round pick? and then what, you just hope it works out? I imagine he'll be back at camp and starting next year unless/until someone else steps up.


hall probably stays, especially since you're going to want to restructure goldson down from 8m base salary in 2016. 13m for safeties just seems like a lot for guys that aren't bad, but aren't gamechangers.

hatcher... i don't know that keeping him makes sense, cause he costs a lot and he's had injury issues (which get worse with age). if he goes you probably need to draft or sign someone, but it doesn't have to be an 8m/year player.

[Schneed10]

Yeah that's the thing here, we have to switch our mindset a bit. It's been a while since we've been anything other than building from scratch. We're now in the mode of building momentum, we can't just cut players without a strong replacement plan. If we resign Compton that could be a good plan for Riley, but only if we think the backups can replace him.

And with Steiger the last thing you do is play a rookie (unless the rookie is a sure fire first rounder). You have to give Cousins an even stronger run game next year so he can keep developing. Experience is meaningful when you're competing to go deep in the playoffs in 2016.