Domestic terrorism

[Chico23231]

The city of Chicago and the state of Illinois has the strictest gun control in the country...how has that curbed the continuing violence in the murder capital of the country, Chicago?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The city of Chicago and the state of Illinois has the strictest gun control in the country...how has that curbed the continuing violence in the murder capital of the country, Chicago?

if you have strict gun control in chicago and no gun control in michigan (just as an example) then you have no real gun control in chicago. if gun shows don't require background checks and dealers can sell directly to people stating that they couldn't pass a check if they had to, then you don't really have background checks either.


of course universal checks don't really solve a large myriad of problems like the extant supply of guns already out there etc.

I've got no problem with responsible people having whatever guns they want, but the "everyone should be carrying" crowd is a bit scary. maybe you've never been in a bar when someone decides to whip one out, but it's not really a safe environment. having 18 more drunk people also decide to pull out guns is, um... even less safe.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by That Guy

if you have strict gun control in chicago and no gun control in michigan (just as an example) then you have no real gun control in chicago. if gun shows don't require background checks and dealers can sell directly to people stating that they couldn't pass a check if they had to, then you don't really have background checks either.


of course universal checks don't really solve a large myriad of problems like the extant supply of guns already out there etc.

I've got no problem with responsible people having whatever guns they want, but the "everyone should be carrying" crowd is a bit scary. maybe you've never been in a bar when someone decides to whip one out, but it's not really a safe environment. having 18 more drunk people also decide to pull out guns is, um... even less safe.

I don't have a problem if the president want to expand and strengthen the background checks.

Like the president said, none of the proposals would have stop any of the mass shootings. Also like the president agreed last night, violent crime rates are at an all time low and gun ownership is at all time high. The last 30 years murder rate has dropped drastically. Minors killed by guns his dropped massively.

So I would ask, why does Chicago enjoy using guns to kill one another? Y is Chicago out of step with most of the country? Try having that discussion. Why doesn't Obama pick up the phone and talk with his close friend who runs that city? Excuses in Chicago have run out...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I don't have a problem if the president want to expand and strengthen the background checks.

Like the president said, none of the proposals would have stop any of the mass shootings. Also like the president agreed last night, violent crime rates are at an all time low and gun ownership is at all time high. The last 30 years murder rate has dropped drastically. Minors killed by guns his dropped massively.

So I would ask, why does Chicago enjoy using guns to kill one another? Y is Chicago out of step with most of the country? Try having that discussion. Why doesn't Obama pick up the phone and talk with his close friend who runs that city? Excuses in Chicago have run out...

chicagos a whole can of worms that has a lot to do with socio-economics etc. it's something that really should be addressed, and probably needs to be looked at top down. it's not just a gun problem though.