Cousins has arrived

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Yeah you're right,I over exaggerated
But Cousins did not play well after the td drive in 3rd and the never beating a team with a winning record was surprising and concerning.
I know we have no choice now but to sign him and I want us to,but I do have fears that he will be a 1 hit wonder like RG3.

RG3 was a totally different situation, his success was based on the read option and his freakish athleticism. Both of those are gone now.

Kirk doesn't need gimmicks or 4.3 speed.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by MTK

RG3 was a totally different situation, his success was based on the read option and his freakish athleticism. Both of those are gone now.



Kirk doesn't need gimmicks or 4.3 speed.

You were one of the guys that dissed me when I expressed my concern over griffin way back in 2013, and if I remember correctly continue to support Griffin probably all the way up to training camp this year, so for you to not support Griffin now and take up for cousins is laughable.
And no I am not taking up for Griffin, I've been saying he wasn't that good for a long time now,I just find it very ironic for you to chide me over expressing my concerns about Cousins.

All I am saying is I have some concerns about cousins, and not being able to beat a team over 500 is something to be concerned about.
I have been on the kirk bandwagon since the first game so I am not a Kirk hater, and I do want us to re-sign him, but I know it's going to take a shit load of money and I don't think we've seen enough body of work to invest that much money in him, but we put ourselves in the position that we have no choice.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

You were one of the guys that dissed me when I expressed my concern over griffin way back in 2013, and if I remember correctly continue to support Griffin probably all the way up to training camp this year, so for you to not support Griffin now and take up for cousins is laughable.
And no I am not taking up for Griffin, I've been saying he wasn't that good for a long time now,I just find it very ironic for you to chide me over expressing my concerns about Cousins.

All I am saying is I have some concerns about cousins, and not being able to beat a team over 500 is something to be concerned about.
I have been on the kirk bandwagon since the first game so I am not a Kirk hater, and I do want us to re-sign him, but I know it's going to take a shit load of money and I don't think we've seen enough body of work to invest that much money in him, but we put ourselves in the position that we have no choice.

lol you take things way too personal... I support whoever is in the lineup, simple as that. Cousins has earned my support. I was with Griffin all the way until he showed he simply wasn't developing well enough.

Nothing wrong with having some concerns as long as they're legit. You have a history of exaggerating and your concerns now are a little over the top. Did you see his development the last few months? Why did one game where he didn't even play that bad become such a concern?

The Redskins haven't beaten a team with a winning record with Cousins at the helm is the more accurate way to put it. Nobody wins or loses alone. His play yesterday was a reflection of the entire offense. They were off, not just him.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by MTK

lol you take things way too personal... I support whoever is in the lineup, simple as that. Cousins has earned my support. I was with Griffin all the way until he showed he simply wasn't developing well enough.



Nothing wrong with having some concerns as long as they're legit. You have a history of exaggerating and your concerns now are a little over the top. Did you see his development the last few months? Why did one game where he didn't even play that bad become such a concern?



The Redskins haven't beaten a team with a winning record with Cousins at the helm is the more accurate way to put it. Nobody wins or loses alone. His play yesterday was a reflection of the entire offense. They were off, not just him.

No I'm not taking it personally,I just remember you taking up for Griff amid my concerns(which by the way all turned out to be prophetic)way back when and continued to do so all the way up to Kirk being named the starter.
As far as you saying you support whoevers in the lineup its as simple as that,I cannot understand or comprehend that reasoning.I'm all for supporting your team but when someone's playing poorly and your making excuses for them or disagreeing with other people about their poor play just because they are in the lineup makes no sense to me.
Yes I did exaggerate about Cousins being compared to Hoyer and I admitted that,as far as a history of over exaggeration,we will have to disagree about that too.

It's not just one game that has me concerned,it's his career as a whole.
Yes he has great strides this season.
Yes the whole team was off yesterday,but Cousins throws in the 2nd half we're some of his worst since I don't know when,and if not for that amazing catch by Reed he would have had a pick 6,and it would have been very interesting to see how he would have handled it if that would have happened.
Hopefully it was just 1st timer playoff pressure getting to him and he will learn from it and be a better qb.
I guess reading about his having never beaten a team with a winning record combined with what I thought was a mostly bad 2nd half yesterday made me post what I did.
I guess what I should have said is I have my concerns over paying Kirk a shitload of money for someone who's never beaten a winning team and his body of work IMO is not long enough to warrant signing him to what might be top 5 qb pay,but at this point we have no choice but to do that or slap the franchise tag on him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

No I'm not taking it personally,I just remember you taking up for Griff amid my concerns(which by the way all turned out to be prophetic)way back when and continued to do so all the way up to Kirk being named the starter.
As far as you saying you support whoevers in the lineup its as simple as that,I cannot understand or comprehend that reasoning.I'm all for supporting your team but when someone's playing poorly and your making excuses for them or disagreeing with other people about their poor play just because they are in the lineup makes no sense to me.
Yes I did exaggerate about Cousins being compared to Hoyer and I admitted that,as far as a history of over exaggeration,we will have to disagree about that too.

It's not just one game that has me concerned,it's his career as a whole.
Yes he has great strides this season.
Yes the whole team was off yesterday,but Cousins throws in the 2nd half we're some of his worst since I don't know when,and if not for that amazing catch by Reed he would have had a pick 6,and it would have been very interesting to see how he would have handled it if that would have happened.
Hopefully it was just 1st timer playoff pressure getting to him and he will learn from it and be a better qb.
I guess reading about his having never beaten a team with a winning record combined with what I thought was a mostly bad 2nd half yesterday made me post what I did.
I guess what I should have said is I have my concerns over paying Kirk a shitload of money for someone who's never beaten a winning team and his body of work IMO is not long enough to warrant signing him to what might be top 5 qb pay,but at this point we have no choice but to do that or slap the franchise tag on him.

Good for you bro, you're a prophet. Pat yourself on the back. Maybe you'll be right again.

I'm not talking about supporting a guy no matter what. I had plenty of concerns about RG3 going back to the injury.

Cousins is still coming into his own, but I'm ok with committing to him and seeing what happens.

[htownskinfan]

[QUOTE=MTK;1137313]Good for you bro, you're a prophet. Pat yourself on the back. Maybe you'll be right again.

I'm sure I will

I'm not talking about supporting a guy no matter what. I had plenty of concerns about RG3 going back to the injury.
Those are your words in response to me,you did not explain yourself for me to take it any other way.

Cousins is still coming into his own, but I'm ok with committing to him and seeing what happens.
On that I agree with you-if it's for the right price.If he's asking for top 5 qb money for what amounts to around 8 or 9 good games in his career,are you still committed to him?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

No I'm not taking it personally,I just remember you taking up for Griff amid my concerns(which by the way all turned out to be prophetic)way back when and continued to do so all the way up to Kirk being named the starter.
As far as you saying you support whoevers in the lineup its as simple as that,I cannot understand or comprehend that reasoning.I'm all for supporting your team but when someone's playing poorly and your making excuses for them or disagreeing with other people about their poor play just because they are in the lineup makes no sense to me.
Yes I did exaggerate about Cousins being compared to Hoyer and I admitted that,as far as a history of over exaggeration,we will have to disagree about that too.

It's not just one game that has me concerned,it's his career as a whole.
Yes he has great strides this season.
Yes the whole team was off yesterday,but Cousins throws in the 2nd half we're some of his worst since I don't know when,and if not for that amazing catch by Reed he would have had a pick 6,and it would have been very interesting to see how he would have handled it if that would have happened.
Hopefully it was just 1st timer playoff pressure getting to him and he will learn from it and be a better qb.
I guess reading about his having never beaten a team with a winning record combined with what I thought was a mostly bad 2nd half yesterday made me post what I did.
I guess what I should have said is I have my concerns over paying Kirk a shitload of money for someone who's never beaten a winning team and his body of work IMO is not long enough to warrant signing him to what might be top 5 qb pay,but at this point we have no choice but to do that or slap the franchise tag on him.

Cousins throws in the second half were his worst since several weeks ago. You know why? Because he has been playing out of his freaking mind. He had a few off throws. He also had a couple dropped, and a td taken away because djax stuck his foot in without the ball.
As far as amazing catches, yeah Reed bailed him out. So too did David Tyree for Eli Manning. Eli won an mvp trophy because of it. So what? Who cares? You know how many "near" interceptions are thrown on a weekly basis by quarterbacks in the NFL?
You just have to realize that this "never beat a winning team" bullshit is based on probably 12 games? Most of which were played with a 4 win team that couldn't even beat bad teams! It is the dumbest stat ever all things considered.
Also - as far as yesterdays second half goes - if not for our piss poor defense he just might not have been pressing so much. If not for our non existent run game he just might have had a more honest defense to throw the ball against. You just cannot dismiss these things.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Cousins throws in the second half were his worst since several weeks ago. You know why? Because he has been playing out of his freaking mind. He had a few off throws. He also had a couple dropped, and a td taken away because djax stuck his foot in without the ball.
As far as amazing catches, yeah Reed bailed him out. So too did David Tyree for Eli Manning. Eli won an mvp trophy because of it. So what? Who cares? You know how many "near" interceptions are thrown on a weekly basis by quarterbacks in the NFL?
You just have to realize that this "never beat a winning team" bullshit is based on probably 12 games? Most of which were played with a 4 win team that couldn't even beat bad teams! It is the dumbest stat ever all things considered.
Also - as far as yesterdays second half goes - if not for our piss poor defense he just might not have been pressing so much. If not for our non existent run game he just might have had a more honest defense to throw the ball against. You just cannot dismiss these things.

Whoa man calm down Focus on what I said in my last paragraph.Try to remember I am a Kirk supporter.
As for your last paragraph,so you're admitting he was pressing and didnt play well,lol
He hasnt had a running game all year,so nothing changed in that regard.Also the defense has sucked all year also for the most part.What changed yesterday is the defense didnt get any turnovers to help bail them out.

[SFREDSKIN]

I'll say it again, Kirk had a bad game cause the OL played poorly allowing 6 sacks and being pressure constantly. As the OL goes so does the QB. Perfect example is Rogers, he had an excellent game cause his OL protected him unlike the last couple of weeks.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

Whoa man calm down Focus on what I said in my last paragraph.Try to remember I am a Kirk supporter.

As for your last paragraph,so you're admitting he was pressing and didnt play well,lol

He hasnt had a running game all year,so nothing changed in that regard.Also the defense has sucked all year also for the most part.What changed yesterday is the defense didnt get any turnovers to help bail them out.

What I am admitting is there are other factors at play, other teammates at play, and that for you to blame Kirk for the loss is ridiculous. That is all.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

No I'm not taking it personally,I just remember you taking up for Griff amid my concerns(which by the way all turned out to be prophetic)way back when and continued to do so all the way up to Kirk being named the starter.
As far as you saying you support whoevers in the lineup its as simple as that,I cannot understand or comprehend that reasoning.I'm all for supporting your team but when someone's playing poorly and your making excuses for them or disagreeing with other people about their poor play just because they are in the lineup makes no sense to me.
Yes I did exaggerate about Cousins being compared to Hoyer and I admitted that,as far as a history of over exaggeration,we will have to disagree about that too.

It's not just one game that has me concerned,it's his career as a whole.
Yes he has great strides this season.
Yes the whole team was off yesterday,but Cousins throws in the 2nd half we're some of his worst since I don't know when,and if not for that amazing catch by Reed he would have had a pick 6,and it would have been very interesting to see how he would have handled it if that would have happened.
Hopefully it was just 1st timer playoff pressure getting to him and he will learn from it and be a better qb.
I guess reading about his having never beaten a team with a winning record combined with what I thought was a mostly bad 2nd half yesterday made me post what I did.
I guess what I should have said is I have my concerns over paying Kirk a shitload of money for someone who's never beaten a winning team and his body of work IMO is not long enough to warrant signing him to what might be top 5 qb pay,but at this point we have no choice but to do that or slap the franchise tag on him.

Yes the whole team was off yesterday, BUT COUSINS THROWS WERE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Dont try n backtrack now. That there is a fine line you're walking if you say you never blamed Cousins, never thought that even?!? Lol. Come on man.
Edit: i dont really care, but like Matty said - the defense got absolutely torched Sunday and we are talking about the QB?!? The QB who didnt have a terrible game but was a little bit off?!? You are completely questioning KC at this point and good for you and your opinion. This is America.
However,like I have said to others,thank God you are not involved with the decision making process of this team. Lol.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes the whole team was off yesterday, BUT COUSINS THROWS WERE BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Dont try n backtrack now. That there is a fine line you're walking if you say you never blamed Cousins, never thought that even?!? Lol. Come on man.
Edit: i dont really care, but like Matty said - the defense got absolutely torched Sunday and we are talking about the QB?!? The QB who didnt have a terrible game but was a little bit off?!? You are completely questioning KC at this point and good for you and your opinion. This is America.
However,like I have said to others,thank God you are not involved with the decision making process of this team. Lol.

If I was involved with the decision-making this team would be a lot better off
It may have looked like from my post that I was blaming Kirk for the loss but that is not how I feel. I am not backtracking I never meant that he was the reason for the loss
I think my Brian Hoyer comment got you guys all in a hissy Yes I said it, was it an over exaggeration, yes it was. I admitted that, and I would like it stricken from the record.

[Alvin Walton]

Where does Colt McCoy fit into all of this?
Is he gone next year?
Are we going to have two new QBs at the start of pre season?

[30gut]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...-down-cousins/

Washington

–It certainly wasn’t a pretty day from Kirk Cousins (-4.7). His accuracy down the field was night and day from the quarterback we’ve seen the past few weeks. On passes targeted between 10-20 yards down the field, Cousins was only 2-of-10 passing for 36 yards. Green Bay forced check down after check down from Cousins and continually made the play. 17 of Cousins 29 completions came between the numbers and within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...-down-cousins/

Washington

–It certainly wasn’t a pretty day from Kirk Cousins (-4.7). His accuracy down the field was night and day from the quarterback we’ve seen the past few weeks. On passes targeted between 10-20 yards down the field, Cousins was only 2-of-10 passing for 36 yards. Green Bay forced check down after check down from Cousins and continually made the play. 17 of Cousins 29 completions came between the numbers and within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Gotta remember, Green Bay pass defense has been great all year. Capers secondary looks have confused good QB and their pass rush is decent. You counter that pounding the ball...