Round 2 Nfl playoffs.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

You are crazy, Montana or Brady for me, currently Andrew Luck.

I would take Cam Newton over Luck.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I would take Cam Newton over Luck.

I would take Wilson over both. So far Cam is a one season wonder, and Luck is good but not great.

Randall Cunningham may not be in the top 20 of all time, but he was top 10 in his era. He was the first dynamic running QB.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I would take Wilson over both. So far Cam is a one season wonder, and Luck is good but not great.

Randall Cunningham may not be in the top 20 of all time, but he was top 10 in his era. He was the first dynamic running QB.

One season wonder??? Are we watching the same Cam??

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

One season wonder??? Are we watching the same Cam??

I think I am watching the same Cam. Before this year, 59.4 perfect completion rate 82 TD and 54 Int. Plus 27 fumbles with 11 lost. I know I am not taking into consideration his rushing numbers, but as a passer, he was average at best.

This is why i said, one season wonder.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I would take Wilson over both. So far Cam is a one season wonder, and Luck is good but not great.



Randall Cunningham may not be in the top 20 of all time, but he was top 10 in his era. He was the first dynamic running QB.

He was the ROY and went to two pro bowls before this one. He may be having his best year, and has shown he can be an effective passer from the pocket over the long haul, but to call him a one year wonder is a wee bit silly. I would take him over Wilson in a heartbeat.

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He was the ROY and went to two pro bowls before this one. He may be having his best year, and has shown he can be an effective passer from the pocket over the long haul, but to call him a one year wonder is a wee bit silly. I would take him over Wilson in a heartbeat.

RG3 and Eddie Lacey were AP Offensive Rookies of the year. That means nothing.

Please define effective passer from the pocket. We may have a different definition. To me, before this year, his passing numbers we average at best. 59.4 perfect completion rate 82 TD and 54 Int.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

RG3 and Eddie Lacey were AP Offensive Rookies of the year. That means nothing.



Please define effective passer from the pocket. We may have a different definition. To me, before this year, his passing numbers we average at best. 59.4 perfect completion rate 82 TD and 54 Int.

Well ... First ..... It means nothing to be ROY if that is your only good year and you are referred to as a one year wonder. However....if ROY is in addition to an MVP year .... (See Cam Newton) ...than it means alot. It means based on those two years alone he is not a one year wonder. Thats the only reason i pointed it out.
Second....I was completely agreeing with you about him having his first really good year passing...by "long haul" I meant going forward.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I would take Wilson over both. So far Cam is a one season wonder, and Luck is good but not great.

Randall Cunningham may not be in the top 20 of all time, but he was top 10 in his era. He was the first dynamic running QB.

I like Wilson a lot, but this is the first season that his team solely depended on his passing play to win games.

I think Wilson and Newton will continue their successes from this season. I think Luck could be there in that conversation, depending on how he rebounds from this season.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I would take Wilson over both. So far Cam is a one season wonder, and Luck is good but not great.

Randall Cunningham may not be in the top 20 of all time, but he was top 10 in his era. He was the first dynamic running QB.

No that was Fran Tarkenton.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

No that was Fran Tarkenton.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton

He was the first dynamic running QB in the modern era??

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

He was the first dynamic running QB in the modern era??

yes.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I would take Cam Newton over Luck.

In a heart beat. Newton has really grown as a QB in the NFL. I know Luck was dealing with injuries last year but I just wasn't seeing growth as a passer. He came in head and shoulders above the rest of his class in terms of NFL readiness but both Wilson and Newton (I know, not his class but close enough) have progressed further (yes, they had further to go). I would not be surprised if Luck as good as he can be at this point. A good QB who throws lots of TD's and INT's.

I would not be surprised if, in ten years, we look back on Newton, Luck, & Wilson and determine that Newton and Wilson's career acheivements far surpassed Luck's.

Of the rest from 2012(Griffin, Cousins, Foles, Tannehill, Weeden, & Oswhieler), only Cousins has shown any real growth and then only over the 10 games of the regular season. However, if he continues on this career trajectory, he too could ultimately surpass Luck.

As for the greatest of all time QB's, well, I break it into top 5, top 10 and I think Manning certainly is in the first conversation and a must in the second.

My Top 5, 10.
1-5 (in no particular order): Unitas, Graham, Montana, Brady, Elway
6-10 (again, in no particular order): Manning, Marino, Bobby Lane, Baugh, Kelly.

If you bump Manning into to the top five, not sure who you would bump out an argument could be made for each. Just outside my top 10, although again, certainly an argument could be made to include them: W. Moon and D. Brees.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My Top 5, 10.
1-5 (in no particular order): Unitas, Graham, Montana, Brady, Elway
6-10 (again, in no particular order): Manning, Marino, Bobby Lane, Baugh, Kelly.

If you bump Manning into to the top five, not sure who you would bump out an argument could be made for each. Just outside my top 10, although again, certainly an argument could be made to include them: W. Moon and D. Brees.

How can you not include Elway in your top 10?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

How can you not include Elway in your top 10?

I don't want to appear like I'm picking on you but:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

My Top 5, 10.
1-5 (in no particular order): Unitas, Graham, Montana, Brady, Elway
6-10 (again, in no particular order): Manning, Marino, Bobby Lane, Baugh, Kelly.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by mooby

I don't want to appear like I'm picking on you but:

My bad, good list.