Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

At what rate? 2 bad games then 2 good games? At that rate I hope he's getting paid somewhere else,we can pick up Brian Hoyer or Jay Cutler for a whole lot less for a inconsistent mediocre qb.
Now if he can go on a run like last year then it's a different ballgame,but drawing conclusions after 4 games is .......

Simply put, some of us have more faith in Kirk than you do. That's all there is to it, actually. Regardless of fans like me who believe in Kirk, you're going to get what you want because the Redskins brass are going to evaluate him based on his play this entire season (and other factors) before attempting to sign him to a long-term contract. That's what the Franchise tag was all about.

The decision that the Redskins make about Kirk will only be about whether or not they should go forward with Kirk as their starting QB. By that I mean, the only question is "Once the team has been built around KC, can the Redskins win a Super Bowl with him as their starting QB?". It's not about the money because SM has made it clear that the Skins will be willing to pay fair market value to get the QB they want. Also, Kirk doesn't need to be a future All-Pro or Top 10 QB for the answer to the Big Question to be "Yes".

At his point, what you seem to be attempting to do is to convince people like me who have more faith in Kirk than you do to have less faith in him until we see his full season body of work. You should try to understand that it's not as if those of us who already believe in Kirk don't realize that he might fail - we do. Still, in my case, I don't choose to temper my enthusiasm about Kirk's future. It's more fun for me that way.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Simply put, some of us have more faith in Kirk than you do. That's all there is to it, actually. Regardless of fans like me who believe in Kirk, you're going to get what you want because the Redskins brass are going to evaluate him based on his play this entire season (and other factors) before attempting to sign him to a long-term contract. That's what the Franchise tag was all about.

The decision that the Redskins make about Kirk will only be about whether or not they should go forward with Kirk as their starting QB. By that I mean, the only question is "Once the team has been built around KC, can the Redskins win a Super Bowl with him as their starting QB?". It's not about the money because SM has made it clear that the Skins will be willing to pay fair market value to get the QB they want. Also, Kirk doesn't need to be a future All-Pro or Top 10 QB for the answer to the Big Question to be "Yes".

At his point, what you seem to be attempting to do is to convince people like me who have more faith in Kirk than you do to have less faith in him until we see his full season body of work. You should try to understand that it's not as if those of us who already believe in Kirk don't realize that he might fail - we do. Still, in my case, I don't choose to temper my enthusiasm about Kirk's future. It's more fun for me that way.

Excellent post.
Your right,I dont have as much faith in Kirk as some,but I want Kirk to succeed as much as anybody.But my recent postings was just about people saying pay Kirk and bringing up stats after 4 games,way too premature for that.
And even in his run last year he still had some clunkers,I mean how does he lose to Dallas on MNF to a backup thats not even in the league anymore? And that goes for this yr too? Dak not only showed more poise in that game but in the 4 games I've seen Dak play he's showed me more poise then Cousins has in 5 years.
2 examples,the Philly game last yr when he kneeled down before the half to ruin our chances for a score,then this year when Jay opted to try and score with 5 or 6 seconds left{fucking terrible coaching} and Kirk held onto the ball and took a sack instead of throwing it away.That gentlemen does not show grace under pressure.
In my book Kirk still has a lot to prove and hopefully he will because it's going to be on his shoulders with this defense and our shitty coaches he has a lot to overcome.
But if Kirk continues at his inconsistent play why pay him? Look what Dak and Wentz have done this year,we can always draft another QB

[SolidSnake84]

I'm a big Kirk Cousins fan, I have been his fan since he arrived here in Washington, and while my earlier posts this season suggested that he still has an interception problem, and at some point may or may not be benched for McCoy, I still think Cousins is an average QB, and I feel that in this league, that is enough to win football games.

I have compared him this year to other QB's like Eli Manning, who are interception prone at times, and to be fair, Eli is a Super Bowl QB who has thrown in his career 298 TDs to 203 INTS, which seems very "Cousins Like" if Cousins has as long as a career as Eli.

The problem I think, that others have pointed out, is that the Defense is so bad that Cousins and company will have to produce upwards of 30 points a game for us to have a shot at winning. We will likely finish the season at 8-8, possibly worse than that, and for that reason alone, Cousins is going to be shipped off to somewhere else where he most likely will have a supporting cast around him and he will look like a star. I have said since they failed to reach a deal, that the Skins have soured on Cousins because he refused their initial offer, gave him the franchise tag because they knew they had no other option at QB this year, and they know that this coming offseason, he will be someone else's problem.

[Schneed10]

Statistics aren't irrelevant, but you have to interpret them correctly. The fact that Cousins is 11th in passing yards and 13th in rating and whatever whatever, that's a function of both the quality of his play AND the quality of the offense around him, AND the situations the team has found itself in. So QBs can play to their ability, but they don't all face the same situations, they don't all have the same lines and same weapons, and they haven't all faced the same defenses.

So you can't just go off numbers and draw a conclusion based solely on that.

The question you have to answer is: if we had a different QB playing behind this line, with these weapons, and in the situations we've faced, how would that QB have done? Not easy to answer. But I think half the QBs in the NFL would have put up as good or better numbers than Cousins, and half would have been worse.

Our line is absolutely awesome at protecting, and between Reed Jackson Crowder and Garcon, some of the best weapons in the game. Last year Cousins was 6th in QBR, but I do not think he is the 6th best QB in the league. I think there's probably 10-15 guys who could have matched his numbers.

BUT THAT'S NOT THE POINT! The point is football is a dependent game, and QBs aren't the only thing that matters. If Cousins can put up the 6th best QBR in the league partly because he's solid but also because he's benefitting from a good line and great weapons, then you've got a winning offensive formula. You don't F with it. You try to pay him fairly - not as the 6th best QB in the league, but as a good starter you can win with.

Cousins and the offense are not what's preventing us from being a very good team (well, he wasn't helping in the first two games this year). But now he looks much better. Our problem is defense. If McCloughan keeps Cousins and this offense together, and manages to put together a defense, THEN we've got something.

You don't need a top 5 QB in order to put up a top 5 offensive performance. Keep that in mind.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You don't need a top 5 QB in order to put up a top 5 offensive performance. Keep that in mind.

Joe Gibbs proved that numerous times. Under Gibbs, the Skins had top-rated offenses in 83,87,89,91, and 99. The QB's were Joe Theismann, Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. Three of those teams went to the Super Bowl and two of them became NFL Champions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Joe Gibbs proved that numerous times. Under Gibbs, the Skins had top-rated offenses in 83,87,89,91, and 99. The QB's were Joe Theismann, Jay Schroeder, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Brad Johnson. Three of those teams went to the Super Bowl and two of them became NFL Champions.

Unfortunately Gibbs isnt here. Neither is arguably the greatest o-line ever, a hof running back, a hof wr , or a stud defense. All things that help u win without a top five qb. Which brings me back to KC is doing what he is doing with ... well.... a mediocre coach, less than mediocre defense, and less than mediocre run game. All a credit to him. That is why he will not go anywhere. The Skins know this. They will continue to build around him.

[punch it in]

Lets not completely burn down Cousins chances of turning into a top ten QB though. I think one very important aspect of stats is looking at them over the long haul, and not in a little window - where all of those situational factors are going to really effect the outcome.
Yes KC has weapons, and the oline has been great with pass pro. However our D certainly has not helped the offense by keeping them in rhythm and on the field. Our run game (minus last week) has been completely irrelevant for most of the time KC has been our starter. Teams dont even worry about it. So KC has done what he has done against defenses keying on the pass almost entirely.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lets not completely burn down Cousins chances of turning into a top ten QB though. I think one very important aspect of stats is looking at them over the long haul, and not in a little window - where all of those situational factors are going to really effect the outcome.
Yes KC has weapons, and the oline has been great with pass pro. However our D certainly has not helped the offense by keeping them in rhythm and on the field. Our run game (minus last week) has been completely irrelevant for most of the time KC has been our starter. Teams dont even worry about it. So KC has done what he has done against defenses keying on the pass almost entirely.

Excellent point, he can still get better. 28 years old is not peak for QB play, especially when you sat for a few years.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

What I want to see from Cousins is better awareness when the pocket breaks down. When he has time (and thank god we pass block well) he can pick you apart. When the pocket DOES break down, he has major trouble. I feel like he's pretty good with hot reads against a blitz, but the second I see him pull the ball down and start running, I get antsy in my pantsies.

[los panda]

i had a dream that we won the super bowl, my first thought was "now we have to pay kirk."

[Chico23231]

I think cousins was really pressing the first couple games...I'm gonna let him settle down and play out the rest of the season

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Just curious, you a Mississippi state fan? You love some dak. 😄

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Just curious, you a Mississippi state fan? You love some dak. 😄

LOL no but I do think the kid is special.From the moment he's stepped on the field he looked comfortable,he doesnt look like anything fazes him,and on top of that he has all the skills to be very good.And believe me that bothers the shit out of me,I'm surrounded by Dallas fans,so just when I get giddy about Romo going down this kid has to pop up,but even before Romo went down I thought Dallas would get by just fine with this kid.Damnit why couldnt they have drafted Manziel?!

[skinsfan69]

Long way to go this season but he's been sort of disappointing. Maybe I was expecting more from him. He's just had some absolute stupid ass plays this year that he shouldn't be making....the backbreaking int against Dallas, the bonehead play to end the half, stupid sacks, he can clean that shit up. Hopefully he will.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Long way to go this season but he's been sort of disappointing. Maybe I was expecting more from him. He's just had some absolute stupid ass plays this year that he shouldn't be making....the backbreaking int against Dallas, the bonehead play to end the half, stupid sacks, he can clean that shit up. Hopefully he will.

Thats just who Kirk is as a football player. He is going to dazzle you for half of the game and then play horrible for the other half. I feel like up and down is what you are going to get from him no matter what.

But we could still win alot of games with him if the defense wasn't so bad and he didn't have to be asked to do as much as he's doing now because we are always behind and we have no running game...