Kirk Cousins 24/7 thread

[NCSUredskin]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Really, how may big games has Kirk choked in? Green Bay in the playoffs last season? I'll give you he didnt play well, but the whole team stunk it up, not just him. Week 17 New York this season? Again yes, but the whole team stunk it up. Week 16 last season vs the Eagles to clinch the division was a big game where he played well. If you wanna throw in Carolina this season as a choke, then you have to throw in a number of games towards the end of last season where he was clutch. I just don't think there's a big enough sample size to say he's a choker

I guess it was a little harsh to consider a full on choke artist, but we only have 2 years to look at, and it's trending that way, but let me be clear I am on the side of signing him to a long term deal

[Schneed10]

For the uninitiated, here's the very basics on how QBR works.

If you're at your own 20, and it's first and 10, there's a certain expectation for the number of points the average QB can be expected to put up in that situation. Maybe the average QB finishes some drives starting in that position with a FG, maybe finishes some starting there with a TD, maybe some with a punt, and maybe some in a turnover. When you add it all up, maybe the typical QB comes away with 2 points on average in those situations. So we say a 1st and 10 at your 20 is worth 2 expected points on the scoreboard.

Well if you hit a 30 yard pass taking the ball to the 50, and then you have 1st and 10 from there, well you've just improved your odds to score points on this drive significantly. Your chances of at least getting a FG have gone way up, right? And your chances of finishing with a TD have improved, too. So when you look at the average points scored by the average QB on drives starting at 1st and 10 from the 50, the average points scored there might be 3.

So in other words, hitting that 30 yard pass to go from your own 20 to the 50 improved your expected points scored by 1 whole point. You were expected to get 2 points out of the drive when you were at the 20, and you're expected to get 3 out of drive from the 50. The difference is the impact you made on the play.

Now, let's say you're 1st and goal from the 5. The expectation might be you'll get 5 points out of that situation, on average. If you throw a pass and you get the TD, you get credit for scoring 7, so that throw was worth 2 points. Likewise, if you go 3 and out and have to attempt a FG, then your expected points drop from 5 to 3, so you get hit with a -2 expected points for failing to come up with that TD.

So it weights the play you make against the expected outcome given the situation. And then ESPN goes a step further to assign a clutch weighting. If you make a big throw in the 4th quarter when you're down by one score, they weight that much more heavily than if you make a big throw when you're down by 3 TDs in the 4th quarter (garbage time).

Then they take the results and they index them, with 50 being average and 100 being perfect.

So it does a great job of measuring a QB's impact on the likelihood that his team will win the game. Still, there's a factor built in there - if your team protects you well and your receivers get open well, then you're more likely to succeed and end up with a better QBR. So you have to adjust for that.

If you see a QB rated highly in QBR despite a crappy line and mediocre receivers, you should basically consider that QB a god. Andrew Luck jumps out - being 7th in QBR despite that horrendous surrounding cast speaks to just how amazing he is. If he gets a surrounding cast, watch out!

Likewise, Cousins is not the 5th best QB in the league. He has performed that way because our line is boss and our receivers are plentiful. Don't get me wrong, I'd still pay him. But you have to mentally adjust a bit for surrounding cast and circumstances.

[warriorzpath]

Off topic a little but since we're talking rating QBs and media- it irks me when some media people say stuff like I don't believe in clutch. It's hard to take anything else they say seriously.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Off topic a little but since we're talking rating QBs and media- it irks me when some media people say stuff like I don't believe in clutch. It's hard to take anything else they say seriously.

Those people have never played sports in their life.

A 12 year old pitching in the final inning of a 3-2 little league tournament game, win or go home, understands the concept of clutch.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Those people have never played sports in their life.



A 12 year old pitching in the final inning of a 3-2 little league tournament game, win or go home, understands the concept of clutch.

I was a little reluctant to say who it was but it's Grant Paulsen who's arguing if clutch was something that really exists.

Quote: "And by the way, for the record- this is where I'm flawed, I don't believe clutch is a thing."

For me, he loses a lot of credibility with what he says- just with this.

[warriorzpath]

To me, the premise of some of these arguments don't make sense. Like for instance, Kirk didn't lose the Green Bay game by himself. Yet also say that he deserves to be paid a possible $26 million a year.

QB is the most important position, so when they make a major mistake in a clutch situation- they need to assume a majority of the blame. If you believe qbs are important enough to be paid this much- this only makes sense.

[warriorzpath]

And clutch to me, in a nutshell, are situations where there really is no room for error. Where making a mistake will cost you the game and it's needed that you step up and make plays.

[warriorzpath]

Let's put something else into perspective, with finding a viable alternative if Cousins does not work out.

17 months ago, everyone would have been happy if we traded Cousins to anyone for a 3rd rounder. And to confidently state that Cousins was the Redskins future was idiotic and was mocked. So fast forward to now and to consider anything other than Cousins at qb is idiotic and mocked.

So with that perspective, should this really be the case?

[Alvin Walton]

81 pages
Will break 100, be sure.

[SolidSnake84]

Questions emerge if Colt McCoy can produce similar results at lesser cost than Kirk Cousins, per source | CSN Mid-Atlantic

Here is another write up claiming "insiders" believe that they can get it done with McCoy next season. This one's recent

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Questions emerge if Colt McCoy can produce similar results at lesser cost than Kirk Cousins, per source | CSN Mid-Atlantic

Here is another write up claiming "insiders" believe that they can get it done with McCoy next season. This one's recent

Amazing. We'll pay outrageous money to a tub'o'lard defensive tackle with one great season on a career year but we're having doubts about paying our first franchise qb in 25 fucking seasons? No wonder we sucked for so many consecutive seasons.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Questions emerge if Colt McCoy can produce similar results at lesser cost than Kirk Cousins, per source | CSN Mid-Atlantic

Here is another write up claiming "insiders" believe that they can get it done with McCoy next season. This one's recent

These sources are called "insiders" because calling them "bird brains" wouldn't be nice.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Questions emerge if Colt McCoy can produce similar results at lesser cost than Kirk Cousins, per source | CSN Mid-Atlantic

Here is another write up claiming "insiders" believe that they can get it done with McCoy next season. This one's recent

McCoy is a good back up, but he doesn't have the arm strength Cousins has.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

McCoy is a good back up, but he doesn't have the arm strength Cousins has.

Or the durability, or 32 starts under his belt in this offense, or many other things that just makes this conversation retarded

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Or the durability, or 32 starts under his belt in this offense, or many other things that just makes this conversation retarded

Maybe they saw how well he holds the clipboard, or in this case the tablet, and judged him off of that.