NFL Free Agency 2016

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Lol, of course must be Griffin man crush to disagree that Manziel was better then Griffin. Couldn't possible be that your statement doesn't reflect the production?



You know what's odd? I mainly see you post about Griffin don't recall seeing you much in the FA, draft or defense threads. You seem to me to post almost exclusively about Griffin. Yet when your posts receive responses in disagreement you claim it's due to

Griffin man crush, lol. Maybe methinks you have the man crush then?

You could not be more wrong about me only posting about Griff. I actually agree with Calia n Mooby. I don't even care. Lol.
Edit:
Elway agrees with me. 30 gut disagrees. Hmm? Thats the same as two agrees.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You could not be more wrong about me only posting about Griff. I actually agree with Calia n Mooby. I don't even care. Lol.
Edit:
Elway agrees with me. 30 gut disagrees. Hmm? Thats the same as two agrees.

If you didn't care then you wouldn't post. It's okay by me. Just own it. I admit I always care when people post stuff that isn't accurate.

And your thought/blind assumption that Elway agrees with you, lol, actually makes my point that Manziel/Griffin for the Broncos isn't about football. Because again your assertion doesn't match the actual production.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

...as far as performance on the field he[Manzeil] has had better ones than Griff as of late.

Originally Posted by punch it in

...However the last couple times either one stepped on the field Manziel was the better of the two. I dont care what year it was, and of course all Griff man crushes must be set aside to see that.

Griff
Sat 12/20
vs PHI
W 27-24Against a team that needed that game to go to the playoffs
16/23-220 yds--69.6 comp%--9.57 YPA--1 INT----81.8 passer rating

PFF:
Robert Griffin III, QB: -0.6

Breakdown: It was a solid overall performance for RG3, having success on short, intermediate, and deep targets alike. Two interception-worthy throws, one pick-six worthy at the goal line, brought his grade down considerably, though. That said, Griffin made some beautiful throws including the two deep balls to Jackson and the on perfectly thrown deep out on a 3rd-and-19 early in the second quarter that was dropped by Andre Roberts.

Signature Stat: Despite all the criticism of his ability to read defenses, Grififin’s arm still works well when given the chance. His accuracy percentage of 79.0% is third best in the NFL.


Sun 12/28
vs DAL
L 17-44
27/41--336--65.9 comp%--8.20 YPA--1 TD--2 INT--78.9 passer rating

PFF:
Robert Griffin III, QB: -6.0

Breakdown: His 336 receiving yards look good on the surface, but dive a little deeper and you’ll see that his receivers accumulated a massive 314 yards after the catch thanks to a litany of screens and dump offs. His only completions over 20 yards came on passes to DeSean Jackson and Pierre Garcon behind the line of scrimmage. RG3 rarely challenged the defense, and while it’s uncertain how much of that is on Griffin and how much is on the play calling/offensive system, friction between Griffin and the coaching staff could make that a moot point by next August.

Signature Stat: Not counting his throw-aways, Griffin threw only one pass aimed over ten yards in the air, a deep shot to Santana Moss in double coverage.

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JFF
@ SEA
Sun 12/20
L 13-30
19/32-161 yds--59.4 comp%--5.03 YPA--1 TD--1 INT--69.9 passer rating

PFF:

– QB Johnny Manziel (-2.9) was given his fifth start of the season this week. Outside of the fumble and interception on the Browns’ final drive with the game already out of reach, Manziel did not make any dangerous mistakes. On multiple occasions, he made throws to open receivers that still could have been caught for first downs, but his inaccuracy made the receivers’ adjustments and the catches much more difficult than need be. Manziel completed just three of nine passes targeted 10+ yards downfield, and did not throw a pass targeted 20+ yards downfield prior to the final drive.


Sun 12/27
@ KC
L 13-17
13/32--136 yds--40.6 comp%--4.25 YPA--1 INT--40.6 passer rating

PFF:
Quarterback: Johnny Manziel, Browns (-5.5)

Manziel was good when he scrambled yesterday, but was bad when asked to actually throw the football. His -9.8 pass grade is one of the worst we’ve ever recorded. When the Chiefs didn’t blitz and Manziel was forced to throw into coverage, he completed just 39 percent of his passes and averaged a mere 4.4 yards per attempt. He also threw a terrible interception and had two more bad passes that should have been intercepted. He looked uncomfortable all game long, and yesterday was not a good day for those who believe he’s made any significant development as a quarterback.

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Please do not take this as an endorsement for Manziel. He sucks. However Griff looks like the more gun shy, indecisive, inaccurate of the two really bad quarterbacks.

[calia]

Just clicked open this thread to see what's up. Saw the RGIII v. Manziel debate raging and decided I will see if there's something (and by something I mean ANYTHING) better going on in another thread.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by calia

Just clicked open this thread to see what's up. Saw the RGIII v. Manziel debate raging and decided I will see if there's something (and by something I mean ANYTHING) better going on in another thread.

And here we have a live look-in at the Manziel vs. RG3 debate:

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30-gut. Is it really so inaccurate of me to say Manziel imo has been the better qb of the two bad ones? Over their last 9 games he has a better td/int ratio and also Griff was sacked twice as much? On top of that Griff was playing on a better team than he was. Cannot say that in many cases but surely in the case of the Browns. Listen I really do not care. I do not hate Griff. It sucks what happened to him. Imo he has looked worse than Manziel over their respective last few starts but we are splitting hairs. You have your opinion and i have mine. There are arguments to be made on either side. Seriously though since neither one will ever be relevant again to any team, let alone mine, I am through talking about it. Lol.

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Like I said arguments to be made on both sides. I just need to figure out which guy im picking up in fantasy? (NOT!)

[DYoungJelly]

We'll all get to see how good they are soon enough.

30gut, do you think RGIII will do better in Cleveland with lesser talent around him than he did here?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

...30gut, do you think RGIII will do better in Cleveland with lesser talent around him than he did here?

Better then 2014? Yes.
Better then 2013?Maybe
Better then 2012? Naw (is that what the kids say?)

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Better then 2014? Yes.
Better then 2013?Maybe
Better then 2012? Naw (is that what the kids say?)

See a pattern there?

Really curious what type of offense they will run.

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Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

See a pattern there?



Really curious what type of offense they will run.

The ole downward spiral. Such a shame. Cannot imagine it will reverse tracks ever again but especially not in Cleveland. Understand why Griff would go there, its one of the only places I can imagine he will get a chance to prove himself again.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

See a pattern there?.

Lol, nope. Just an unavoidable downward spiral unrelated to injury, scheme change or organizational cohesion. Amiright?

No need to worry about scheme because kid can't play and he's an egomaniac...right?