All things Middle East related

[That Guy]

isis is a problem that is both bush and obama's fault. the problem is american's don't give a hist about foreign policy, so there's no real accountability or or push for spending a lot of effort there, and 90% of presidents come in with 0 foreign policy experience (being governors or senators). no one really votes for candidates foreign policy beyond stupidity like "we're going to build a wall."

what's your answer though? bomb them? cause we're already doing that. spend money fighting them? we're already committing billions to arm the shia fundamentalist militias and security forces fighting them (who also do bad things like torture, beheadings, etc). are you just asking for a press release?

it's not like america ignoring genocide is anything new either. when it happens in africa, the UN tries very very hard to classify it as anything else that's not genocide, cause once it's labelled as genocide, they'd be forced to do something about it.

not trying to be cynical, but either we're the world police or we're not. a lot of times when we go in to fix something, someone doesn't have the regional experience, makes a few really bad decisions, and actively makes things worse.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by That Guy

isis is a problem that is both bush and obama's fault. the problem is american's don't give a hist about foreign policy, so there's no real accountability or or push for spending a lot of effort there, and 90% of presidents come in with 0 foreign policy experience (being governors or senators). no one really votes for candidates foreign policy beyond stupidity like "we're going to build a wall."

what's your answer though? bomb them? cause we're already doing that. spend money fighting them? we're already committing billions to arm the shia fundamentalist militias and security forces fighting them (who also do bad things like torture, beheadings, etc). are you just asking for a press release?

it's not like america ignoring genocide is anything new either. when it happens in africa, the UN tries very very hard to classify it as anything else that's not genocide, cause once it's labelled as genocide, they'd be forced to do something about it.

not trying to be cynical, but either we're the world police or we're not. a lot of times when we go in to fix something, someone doesn't have the regional experience, makes a few really bad decisions, and actively makes things worse.

No your right, Bill Clinton ignored it twice. And after Rwanda, he pledge the US would never let it happen again.

The liberal media has waged a campaign to avoid it.

The Bush blame is way old by now...but I expect that from liberals. ISIS is a President Obama problem. He completely fucked it up...certainly the biggest fuck up of his Presidency. Its getting better, but not before costing lives in attacks here in the US, Europe, and Beirut with terrorist attacks. But that's selfish. We should be thinking about the hundreds of thousands lives lost in Iraq and Syria. This happened in Iraq, where we have invested so much in.

The President has been an absolute disaster in foreign politics. The world is on fire...I guess we should just sit back and let it burn. So funny how the left has completely shifted. So f*ck everybody else now? pathetic, 2 face folks these days.

Lets see, Ukraine, Europe, Syria, Iraq, Israel hates Obama...they have zero respect. The fucking pathetic Iranian deal.

Cuba has already told the President we aint changing for shit. Because they don't have respect for him. So we gain nothing and Cuba's ruling class will gain access to everything.

The President is a weak ass bitch....but you can dress it up anyway you like. Go ahead and rationalize it.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

No your right, Bill Clinton ignored it twice. And after Rwanda, he pledge the US would never let it happen again.

The liberal media has waged a campaign to avoid it.

The Bush blame is way old by now...but I expect that from liberals. ISIS is a President Obama problem. He completely fucked it up...certainly the biggest fuck up of his Presidency. Its getting better, but not before costing lives in attacks here in the US, Europe, and Beirut with terrorist attacks. But that's selfish. We should be thinking about the hundreds of thousands lives lost in Iraq and Syria. This happened in Iraq, where we have invested so much in.

The President has been an absolute disaster in foreign politics. The world is on fire...I guess we should just sit back and let it burn. So funny how the left has completely shifted. So f*ck everybody else now? pathetic, 2 face folks these days.

Lets see, Ukraine, Europe, Syria, Iraq, Israel hates Obama...they have zero respect. The fucking pathetic Iranian deal.

Cuba has already told the President we aint changing for shit. Because they don't have respect for him. So we gain nothing and Cuba's ruling class will gain access to everything.

The President is a weak ass bitch....but you can dress it up anyway you like. Go ahead and rationalize it.

The absurdity of that statement.....knows NO bounds sir!
It would seem an impossible task to determine given the....voluminous body of work.