2016 CBS/NFLdraftscout Big Board

[KI Skins Fan]

I don't rank players at all. I just trust certain people who do it for a living. Also, I know which players I've seen who I like for our team.

I believe that there is no such thing as true BPA pick in any draft beyond the first five or ten picks. I heard Brian Billick say that, in the many draft rooms he's been in, it's uncanny how the BPA always matched up with a team need. Human nature and common sense come into play. So, I don't think Kelly needs to be ranked in the Top 25 by the Redskins to be picked in the 21st spot by them.

We badly need a starting center. Also, I believe it would be nearly a sin to miss out on a good interior defensive lineman in this draft. I'm hoping we get both and I don't care how it's done. I'd be fine if we took a D-Lineman at #21 and C Nick Martin of ND in the second round.

Kelly and Martin are the only centers I like in this draft. There's no reason to draft a backup C later, IMO. But what do I know compared to SM?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I don't rank players at all. I just trust certain people who do it for a living. Also, I know which players I've seen who I like for our team.

I was only asking where you rank Kelly because this thread is all about where players are ranked on the "Big Board".

Tangent: I think during the run up to the draft is imho the time when you get the least accurate information about draft prospects. NFL team's are notoriously protective of their draft thoughts. They often times engage in pumping or sinking draft opinion based on information they purposefully feed to their draft media counterparts. The draft media relies on this (often purposefully false) information in part because there are simply too many prospects to accurately evaluate/rank. Case in point was Miles Killebrew; who was being talked up as a big hitting safety but the player the draftniks described wasn't the player that appeared on the available game tape. Trust. But verify.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I believe that there is no such thing as true BPA pick in any draft beyond the first five or ten picks.

Completely disagree.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

...I heard Brian Billick say that, in the many draft rooms he's been in, it's uncanny how the BPA always matched up with a team need.

IIRC Billick said that during the combine? I suspect we have different understanding of what he meant.

I think he was referring to 2 circumstances: (1) no team every admits/thinks they "reached" for a player; they always claim the player they selected was "the BPA on their board" (2) draft boards can become artificially manipulated by internal team "needs" or GMs or HCs who have pull in draft boardrooms

So, I don't think Kelly needs to be ranked in the Top 25 by the Redskins to be picked in the 21st spot by them.

I completely disagree.
For any pick to make sense to me they need to be ranked in the range where they are selected.(Unless of course its a situation where a player slated to go higher falls to a lower pick) What this sounds like to me, is justification of a reach.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We badly need a starting center. Also, I believe it would be nearly a sin to miss out on a good interior defensive lineman in this draft.

I'm confused. You're advocating passing over, by your own account "good interior DL", to select Kelly. Then advocating trading up to get a DL because it would be "sin" to miss out on this year's DL.

I also disagree with our level of "need" at the Center position, and the general idea of drafting for need. In my view free agency is about need not the draft.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I'm hoping we get both and I don't care how it's done. I'd be fine if we took a D-Lineman at #21 and C Nick Martin of ND in the second round.

I could certainly get on board with that. But, net-net I'm don't have Center as a top area to address for this team. And I believe there is a good chance a solution is found internally between Josh, Arie and Spencer.

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

There's no reason to draft a backup C later, IMO.

Imo there are a bunch of reason to draft an OL that could be Center later in the draft. Depth, development, versatility or it could simply be that OL is the BPA.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

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I believe that there is no such thing as true BPA pick in any draft beyond the first five or ten picks. I heard Brian Billick say that, in the many draft rooms he's been in, it's uncanny how the BPA always matched up with a team need. Human nature and common sense come into play.

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We badly need a starting center. Also, I believe it would be nearly a sin to miss out on a good interior defensive lineman in this draft.


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I couldn't agree more with these thoughts.

After Free Agency, NT and Center are the biggest holes.

I don't really care about the order...just hoping we could get starting caliber for each area.

The good news, from what the "experts" say, there does appear to be several quality selections at each spot.

For my guess...

we trade back a few spots & still pick up Jarran Reed.
Then we draft a starting center in the 2nd.

After that, it's all gravy for me.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Bangee7

I couldn't agree more with these thoughts.

After Free Agency, NT and Center are the biggest holes.

I don't really care about the order...just hoping we could get starting caliber for each area.

The good news, from what the "experts" say, there does appear to be several quality selections at each spot.

For my guess...

we trade back a few spots & still pick up Jarran Reed.
Then we draft a starting center in the 2nd.

After that, it's all gravy for me.

very good idea, however there are only 2 good centers (Kelly and Martin). They may be gone at pick #53

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

very good idea, however there are only 2 good centers (Kelly and Martin). They may be gone at pick #53

There's also Jack Allen (Mich St) that some scouts think could be starter in the NFL as a rookie.

But, let's agree that there are only 2 real considerations at C, that still doesn't mean we can't package up something to move up in round two.

We don't have to stay at #53.