Redskins Free Agency 2016

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Why would you look at Paul's receiving production in games where Reed played? The point is to illustrate that when Paul is given the role of being the primary receiving TE, he produces.
Get out of here with this reversion to the mean nonsense.

did you bother reading my post? i absolutely did not look at production when reed was playing. 2 games were niles played and reed didn't (SEA/SF) resulted in a grand total of 2 catches for 17 yards. another game the week before reed missed SF (in TB) paul had 2 catches for 17 yards. your only counting 3 of his 5 games without reed, and one game with reed (where he got hurt, and thus i added the option of the TB game). so, there's 2-3 games worth of data where he absolutely didn't produce when reed wasn't there, yet that was skipped over in your extrapolation, hence the questions.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

As for the managing people point, Reed will not have a problem with not being on the field on the opening play. Players don't care about that. He will care about snaps, targets, receptions, and especially those of the red zone variety.

He'll get his 1000+ yards WHEN Jay plays Paul on most running downs.

Eat a bag of smashed assholes and bow to my superiority.

players don't care about starts? and pulling someone from playing 33%+ of available snaps wouldn't bother him? what are you smoking?

man, i'm sure glad you're not in charge.

[30gut]

Reed's ability to create separation is....well I thought clearly evident that it's on a higher level then most TEs not just on the team but in the league.

I also think Davis is a better blocker then Niles, and that's before considering Niles is coming off a season ending injury and further Davis has had a career of proven production where even a down year is only 1 catch less then Niles best year

Either way you slice it the TE group got a lot better with his addition

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Reed's ability to create separation is....well I thought clearly evident that it's on a higher level then most TEs not just on the team but in the league.

I also think Davis is a better blocker then Niles, and that's before considering Niles is coming off a season ending injury and further Davis has had a career of proven production where even a down year is only 1 catch less then Niles best year

Either way you slice it the TE group got a lot better with his addition

I completely agree!

Reed, Carrier, and Davis...all Good TE that can catch down field.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by That Guy

players don't care about starts? and pulling someone from playing 33%+ of available snaps wouldn't bother him? what are you smoking?

man, i'm sure glad you're not in charge.

When Jay makes another smart call and plays Paul on running downs, I expect you to take my purple mushroom stamp on your forehead and like it.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Reed's ability to create separation is....well I thought clearly evident that it's on a higher level then most TEs not just on the team but in the league.

I also think Davis is a better blocker then Niles, and that's before considering Niles is coming off a season ending injury and further Davis has had a career of proven production where even a down year is only 1 catch less then Niles best year

Either way you slice it the TE group got a lot better with his addition

I think Davis overall abilities have fallen off a cliff the last 2 years...blocking, catching, etc.

Clearly Reed had his breakout season last year and I thought Gruden had a lot to do with it. But the guy is super talented as a pass catcher...I don't think its really a fair comparison of Reed vs Niles. Reed is more Jimmy Graham than Gronk. Gronk is a TE...the best TE in the league. Graham and Reed are hybrid WR who crush LB, safety match ups. Ironically Paul was a WR coming out, but is more TE than Reed now.

Overall, Im really worried about Niles health. Davis signing shows the teams concern. But, McC has done an excellent job with the core TE group coming into this season.

Reed, Paul, Davis, Paulson, and Carrier are diverse, talented group. I fully expect us to carry 4 going into the season because it crushed our running game last season dealing with the injuries. Niles Paul is an extremely valuable piece if he can return healthy.

[Schneed10]

I don't think it shows the team's concern for Niles, I think it shows the team is planning to roll with multiple TE sets. And the fact that they let Young go without replacing him shows that they think Niles can rotate into that spot.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don't think it shows the team's concern for Niles, I think it shows the team is planning to roll with multiple TE sets. And the fact that they let Young go without replacing him shows that they think Niles can rotate into that spot.

Well I think if Reed, Niles, Paulson and Carrier are 100% healthy last year (Carrier probably isn't here) then Vernon Davis isn't signed. Nothing says you cant run 2 TE sets with that group.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well I think if Reed, Niles, Paulson and Carrier are 100% healthy last year (Carrier probably isn't here) then Vernon Davis isn't signed. Nothing says you cant run 2 TE sets with that group.

Yeah they definitely would have. That was Jay's stated intention all along, he and McVay said throughout camp that they wanted to run multiple TE sets.

[Schneed10]

It's just now with Davis they have the depth to run it even while sustaining injuries.

I think there will be cool packages in the red zone where you get Niles in an H back, Reed in the slot, and Davis on the line. Niles makes for a pass catching threat and a blocking threat in the run game.

[Chico23231]

Niles and Reed together on the field ....that's Gruden's ideal offense. Dangerous. That's the stuff that makes opposing D-Coordinators shit themselves.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Niles and Reed together on the field together....that's Gruden's ideal offense. Dangerous. That's the stuff that makes opposing D-Coordinators shit themselves.

That made my head hurt.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That made my head hurt.

ha! sorry bro. my bad.

just excited about that combo on game day!

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

ha! sorry bro. my bad.

just excited about that combo on game day!

Lets try to get it together.

[30gut]

Good article on Vernon Davis run blocking.

Film Breakdown: Vernon Davis' Run Blocking Key for Redskins