Cap Implications of Josh Norman

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah, it's probably a harsh assessment so I take back that "bad" portion of the statement. I'd say a mediocre team right now, but definitely on the upswing. My point was why are we so close to the cap when others around our range are 20-35mil deep in cap space. I guess we overpaid for too many shitties on our team. (hatcher, lavaou, roberts, culliver, etc..)

Who has 20-35M in cap space? Have you actually researched the numbers or are you just throwing that out there based on bad memory?

According to OvertheCap, here are the teams currently with more than $20M in space:

Jaguars $53,746,852 bad
49ers $51,727,851 bad
Browns $40,966,334 bad
Panthers $31,028,214 very good
Titans $29,422,028 bad
Bears $22,012,772 bad
Giants $20,977,063 bad

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Who has 20-35M in cap space? Have you actually researched the numbers or are you just throwing that out there based on bad memory?

According to OvertheCap, here are the teams currently with more than $20M in space:

Jaguars $53,746,852 bad
49ers $51,727,851 bad
Browns $40,966,334 bad
Panthers $31,028,214 very good
Titans $29,422,028 bad
Bears $22,012,772 bad
Giants $20,977,063 bad

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

My memory wasn't too bad because you actually validated what I said about some teams having that kind of salary cap. That said, Why on earth do you think the Giants or Bears are bad teams? Realistically, the Giants probably should have won the division last season, but let 3-4 games get away from them in the last few minutes.

I retracted the "bad" statement and put us at mediocre. Let's be honest, in a better division, we wouldn't have been division champs. Our whole division sucked ass last year and we didn't beat a single team over .500. That's saying a lot. Remember, we are a year removed from being the #4 pick in the draft. We didn't accumulate that much talent in a years time to suddenly vault us into contender status. Are we Browns level bad? Absolutely not. Are we going to be favored to win our division this year? Absolutely not.

My only thought was there isn't that much separating us from some of those teams with a lot of cap room. Why is it we spend on guys that don't produce. I think the fact that carrying over cap can benefit us much better than overpaying for a scrub that isn't going to merit his contract. (Luvao, Hatcher, Roberts, Culliver, etc) Even when we were bad, we still were at the brink of being capped regularly.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

My memory wasn't too bad because you actually validated what I said about some teams having that kind of salary cap. That said, Why on earth do you think the Giants or Bears are bad teams? Realistically, the Giants probably should have won the division last season, but let 3-4 games get away from them in the last few minutes.

I retracted the "bad" statement and put us at mediocre. Let's be honest, in a better division, we wouldn't have been division champs. Our whole division sucked ass last year and we didn't beat a single team over .500. That's saying a lot. Remember, we are a year removed from being the #4 pick in the draft. We didn't accumulate that much talent in a years time to suddenly vault us into contender status. Are we Browns level bad? Absolutely not. Are we going to be favored to win our division this year? Absolutely not.

My only thought was there isn't that much separating us from some of those teams with a lot of cap room. Why is it we spend on guys that don't produce. I think the fact that carrying over cap can benefit us much better than overpaying for a scrub that isn't going to merit his contract. (Luvao, Hatcher, Roberts, Culliver, etc) Even when we were bad, we still were at the brink of being capped regularly.

What are the big money positions (numbers from overthecap.com)


QB - 22M top 10 money
LT - 10M OL is top 10 money which is a bit scary with two rookies on the line
WR 27M 2nd only to the bears
CB - 27M 2nd only to the jets

Defensively we are 16th in cap spending
Offensively we are 2nd only to the Steelers

I would say that WR is one place we currently over spend for the production we get, BUT that may change if QB and OL stabilize.

I think most Skins fans like that the owner is willing to spend when the situation calls for it. To me, what that means is that we will never see a super large cap balance, but instead always just enough to cover our needs each year.

[Chico23231]

Yeah I wouldn't call us a bad team....we are a team in transition.

I tell ya, that run to the playoffs the second half of the season...showed me a lot not only about Cousins (per the usual, QB gets more credit than deserved) but about Gruden and a team coming together. I seriously believe if Norman didn't believe we were a team on the rise then he wouldn't be here.

If Cousins can continue his good play, and we do the 2 things McC has set out to accomplish this offseason: 1) build the run Defense and 2) improve the run game then we can be a team on the verge of being very good.


Pass me that Kool Aid bitch

[Alvin Walton]

We are a good team.
We're in the top 40%.
If we stay healthy we will win the division again and maybe win that elusive second playoff game.

[That Guy]

well, we had that 36m penalty, and that forced some money into future years to work around it. if we had it, we probably would have spent it though.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, we had that 36m penalty, and that forced some money into future years to work around it. if we had it, we probably would have spent it though.

Yes, BUT. . .

The cap penalty hurt our depth the most. We still had big money "stars" on the team but we weren't able to get and keep that intermediate level depth across all positions to account for the inevitable injuries that occur during the season.

In addition to hurting depth, the cap penalty directly hurt the quality of our special teams because those are the players that fill out that unit.

[That Guy]

i mean, would you rather switch rosters with the 49ers this season and have their 50m in cap space? i wouldn't.

[Chico23231]

San Fran ain't going nowhere with that roster in that division. Fisher and chip fighting again for the bottom of the west. I guarantee it.