How much have we improved player personnel?

[JoeRedskin]

Nice article by Keim on the Skins' young talent:

Redskins' young talent looks much better than it did a year ago - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

In the 25 and under crowd we have: Scherf, Reed, D. Hopkins, Spencer Long, Bashaud Breeland, Quinton Dunbar, Morgan Moses, Trent Murphy, Ryan Grant, Arie Kounandjio, Kyshoen Jarrett (if he recovers), Jamison Crowder, Matt Jones, Preston Smith, and Chris Thompson.

Not all of these guys may end up starters as they grow (Thompson, Long, Dunbar) and some may not make the roster this year (Ryan Grant I am looking at you), but there is lots of young solid talent for depth at lots of positions ... and this is not even including this year's rookies.

In particular, I really like the young O-Line guys. Scherf/Moses could be the right side for the next 5-10 years. Long and Arie K. may be our depth and rotational starters for that same period. Heck, if Long wins the starter spot at Center and Arie makes enough progress to start at LG, we could end up with an O-Line that plays together for years which would be HUGE in terms of effectiveness.

Dunbar, Crowder, Thompson - all great depth for the next several years.

In addition, we have 12 players that are 26 or 27 including Trent Williams, Kirk Cousins, Kerrigan, Will Compton and Tress Way.

There are some solid players here.

[Skins3]

I am happy with the draft and the future. Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa. I am disappointed we got 1 potential starter for 2016 in Cravens. We have a playoff caliber offense. The defense was not playoff caliber. It almost feels as if they are building for 2017 and beyond. I was hoping for an upgrade at C,DT, S. We got it in Cravens at safety. Someone needs to step up in training camps a la like Moses did last year at RT. Since Scott picked him I got faith in the 5th rounder will make some contributions.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Skins3

I am happy with the draft and the future. Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa. I am disappointed we got 1 potential starter for 2016 in Cravens. We have a playoff caliber offense. The defense was not playoff caliber. It almost feels as if they are building for 2017 and beyond. I was hoping for an upgrade at C,DT, S. We got it in Cravens at safety. Someone needs to step up in training camps a la like Moses did last year at RT. Since Scott picked him I got faith in the 5th rounder will make some contributions.

You don't think we upgraded ar Corner with an all-star in Norman and a high draft pick in Fuller? And we surely did at safety, both through draft and free agency. DT remains a question mark, but Ioannides (sp) addresses that somewhat and how about Gallete coming back after injury? He was a total npbeast the last two seasons he actually played, with 22 sacks...

[Skins3]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

You don't think we upgraded ar Corner with an all-star in Norman and a high draft pick in Fuller? And we surely did at safety, both through draft and free agency. DT remains a question mark, but Ioannides (sp) addresses that somewhat and how about Gallete coming back after injury? He was a total npbeast the last two seasons he actually played, with 22 sacks...

Overall I am excited about the roster yes. It is definitely an improvement from last year. My original post was more towards the draft.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa.

Why not?

[Skins3]

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

While I am a big proponent of BPA, I think saying that is a little misleading. Its not really BPA, as that is subjective to each GM/fan/talking head. Its really more of best player on that GMs respective board. I also agree that team need plays a role in grading, as should scheme fit play a role. In the first draft, McC said he wanted the team to get tougher. So his own preference would make someone like Scherff, who has a ton of toughness, have his grade elevated due to that. McC has said about the pick that Scherff wasnt necessarily the best player when he drafted him, but also said he was the highest rated on his board when he drafted him. I think toughness and need subconsciously gets Scherff a higher grade than Leonard Williams in McCs mind. I think if we were strong on the OL and weak on DL and had a tougher team already, Williams probably would have been graded higher.

IMO, Need will cause a player to get a slightly higher or lower grade in the scouting/judging phase of it all. We were desperate for OL last year, so im sure psychologically, that plays a role in a GMs final grading. An example could be something like a grade, out of a scale of 1-100, go from a 77 to an 80 due to need in the scouting phase (not saying its as simple as a 1-100 grade). But once a GM makes his final board, they need to stick to it.

As for the QB thing. Im sure once you start getting into the lower rounds, you will get a lot more players with equal grades. So its easier to get a specific position then since, if you have 20 or 30 guys with equal grades, you can choose need and still get an equally graded player based on your board.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

Ok, so who was a better player at #5 then Scherff? And it wasnt so much Moses beat him out as Scherff is better off as a G.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

EQ is right. Who was better?

And beat out by Moses?

WTF are you talking about. Callahan put his best 5 on the field and Moses/Scherff was a better combo than Scherff/Long.

He was a stud this year with a mean streak and is going to be a perennial pro-bowl guard if healthy.

As a rookie he was an every down starter.

HE MISSED ONE OFFENSIVE SNAP BECAUSE HIS SHOE CAME OFF:

Snap Judgments: Packers @ Redskins - Hogs Haven

[KI Skins Fan]

I think the Skins were planning to draft Ryan Kelly because he was the highest rated player they expected to be available at pick #21. When it was time for the Skins to draft at #21, Kelly was gone and the Skins were surprised to find Josh Doctson, who they had rated much higher than 21st, available - so they took him.

The real test of Scot's draft philosophy would have come about if both Doctson and Kelly had been available when the Skins picked at #21. The Skins clearly had a greater immediate need for a C versus a WR (although GM's must plan for future roster needs, as well). Both players met the criteria for the type of player and person Scot wants on his team. So, who would Scot have picked? I think he would have picked Doctson because he was rated higher by the Skins.

The draft is not just about immediate needs and finding players who can start as rookies. It's about adding the best possible players and people to the team. I think that Kelly will be a building block for Indy. I would have liked to have him on our team. On the other hand, I see star quality in Josh Doctson. He will help us this season and blossom into a star in the near future. We fans will be glad to have him.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think the Skins were planning to draft Ryan Kelly because he was the highest rated player they expected to be available at pick #21. When it was time for the Skins to draft at #21, Kelly was gone and the Skins were surprised to find Josh Doctson, who they had rated much higher than 21st, available - so they took him.

The real test of Scot's draft philosophy would have come about if both Doctson and Kelly had been available when the Skins picked at #21. The Skins clearly had a greater immediate need for a C versus a WR (although GM's must plan for future roster needs, as well). Both players met the criteria for the type of player and person Scot wants on his team. So, who would Scot have picked? I think he would have picked Doctson because he was rated higher by the Skins.

The draft is not just about immediate needs and finding players who can start as rookies. It's about adding the best possible players and people to the team. I think that Kelly will be a building block for Indy. I would have liked to have him on our team. On the other hand, I see star quality in Josh Doctson. He will help us this season and blossom into a star in the near future. We fans will be glad to have him.

Let's not forget the value of a topflight receiver in negotiations/decisions concerning Garçon and Jackson next year. The cap ramifications of having a starting receiver on a rookie contract are huge.

[CRedskinsRule]

Welcome and Good Post Skins3

[calia]

Meanwhile, the Eagles' personnel situation continues to amuse: Sproles avoiding OTAs after Eagles fielded trade calls - NFL.com

I love the fact that they've become the face of dysfunction in our division.

[That Guy]

i heard sproles was just out of state with his family and he'd be there for mandatory stuff when it started. so might be nothing.

[dbrown]

I don't think there's any question that the Redskins have improved personnel on offense. Let alone having Cousins another year experience in the system. I think the big question mark is on the defense side of the ball. Every year we always hear that they improved the defense and every year they look terrible. I feel like I'm encouraged, but want to see the proof on the field.