All things Middle East related

[That Guy]

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-1...-107publ40.htm

https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-...resolution/114


you realize that if we drop troops into yemen/syria/etc to try and "beat them" jihadi recruitment skyrockets right? and i'm not saying we have to win hearts and minds just that at one point that was bush's "goal" and a foreign military isn't the best way to make that happen (especially with the torture problems etc).

after we "beat them" all the political factions that couldn't agree in the first place resurface, killing a bunch of people doesn't really change that. WWII is a bad example, germany and japan's populations weren't sectarian or tribal in nature and that was a very nationalist war, whereas this is mainly being perpetrated by stateless actors.

you also seemly weirdly adamant that all the world's problems are 100% caused by democrats. they don't control congress and they didn't start down this path. not saying their blameless by any means, but that fact that you need to mention it in every post just leads to the impression of bias.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by That Guy

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-1...-107publ40.htm

https://www.congress.gov/bill/107th-...resolution/114


you realize that if we drop troops into yemen/syria/etc to try and "beat them" jihadi recruitment skyrockets right? and i'm not saying we have to win hearts and minds just that at one point that was bush's "goal" and a foreign military isn't the best way to make that happen (especially with the torture problems etc).

after we "beat them" all the political factions that couldn't agree in the first place resurface, killing a bunch of people doesn't really change that. WWII is a bad example, germany and japan's populations weren't sectarian or tribal in nature and that was a very nationalist war, whereas this is mainly being perpetrated by stateless actors.

you also seemly weirdly adamant that all the world's problems are 100% caused by democrats. they don't control congress and they didn't start down this path. not saying their blameless by any means, but that fact that you need to mention it in every post just leads to the impression of bias.

First, and you know this, neither of those links are the Constitutional Declaration of War as was made against Germany or Japan.US Declaration of War History In fact, they are the very definition of using the War powers of the US military, without taking the active and assertive case of a Declaration of War. In authorizoring war powers, without actually declaring war against specific states that are the specific bad actors, we allow Congress and the President to politicize and evade the facts of what War really is.

For the record, I blame the President and Congress equally in all my posts.

Beating the opponent until they yield wins them. We didn't do that, and for the past 8 years the President and Congress have gotten away with overseeing a world where 10's of thousands of innocents die annually,

But we aren't at war, and we aren't trying to win, instead this Commander in Chief, and Republican congress have abrogated their Constitutional duties

My point about the democrats is that they (many) went from actively supporting the initial involvement to blaming Bush and actively setting an agenda against the "at all costs" mindset that was spouted at the beginning of the 2003 campaign. You can see that as bias, I just see it as factual.

I absolutely see both parties as co-conspirators when it comes to using the undeclared war as political mush, and not treating it as seriously as I personally think it should be.

We will just disagree on the nature of WWII, but I will one more time point out that Japan's culture was as idiomatic and religiously fervent as any Islamic State actor, and Germany after the first WW had the same creation of factions that is in the Middle East now. Human nature isn't infinitely vast, and within realms of thoughts and behaviours, the Middle East is very similar to Europe between WWI and WW2, I would argue the similarities are striking if you take out the location based differences.