How much have we improved player personnel?

[JoeRedskin]

Nice article by Keim on the Skins' young talent:

Redskins' young talent looks much better than it did a year ago - Washington Redskins Blog- ESPN

In the 25 and under crowd we have: Scherf, Reed, D. Hopkins, Spencer Long, Bashaud Breeland, Quinton Dunbar, Morgan Moses, Trent Murphy, Ryan Grant, Arie Kounandjio, Kyshoen Jarrett (if he recovers), Jamison Crowder, Matt Jones, Preston Smith, and Chris Thompson.

Not all of these guys may end up starters as they grow (Thompson, Long, Dunbar) and some may not make the roster this year (Ryan Grant I am looking at you), but there is lots of young solid talent for depth at lots of positions ... and this is not even including this year's rookies.

In particular, I really like the young O-Line guys. Scherf/Moses could be the right side for the next 5-10 years. Long and Arie K. may be our depth and rotational starters for that same period. Heck, if Long wins the starter spot at Center and Arie makes enough progress to start at LG, we could end up with an O-Line that plays together for years which would be HUGE in terms of effectiveness.

Dunbar, Crowder, Thompson - all great depth for the next several years.

In addition, we have 12 players that are 26 or 27 including Trent Williams, Kirk Cousins, Kerrigan, Will Compton and Tress Way.

There are some solid players here.

[Skins3]

I am happy with the draft and the future. Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa. I am disappointed we got 1 potential starter for 2016 in Cravens. We have a playoff caliber offense. The defense was not playoff caliber. It almost feels as if they are building for 2017 and beyond. I was hoping for an upgrade at C,DT, S. We got it in Cravens at safety. Someone needs to step up in training camps a la like Moses did last year at RT. Since Scott picked him I got faith in the 5th rounder will make some contributions.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Skins3

I am happy with the draft and the future. Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa. I am disappointed we got 1 potential starter for 2016 in Cravens. We have a playoff caliber offense. The defense was not playoff caliber. It almost feels as if they are building for 2017 and beyond. I was hoping for an upgrade at C,DT, S. We got it in Cravens at safety. Someone needs to step up in training camps a la like Moses did last year at RT. Since Scott picked him I got faith in the 5th rounder will make some contributions.

You don't think we upgraded ar Corner with an all-star in Norman and a high draft pick in Fuller? And we surely did at safety, both through draft and free agency. DT remains a question mark, but Ioannides (sp) addresses that somewhat and how about Gallete coming back after injury? He was a total npbeast the last two seasons he actually played, with 22 sacks...

[Skins3]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

You don't think we upgraded ar Corner with an all-star in Norman and a high draft pick in Fuller? And we surely did at safety, both through draft and free agency. DT remains a question mark, but Ioannides (sp) addresses that somewhat and how about Gallete coming back after injury? He was a total npbeast the last two seasons he actually played, with 22 sacks...

Overall I am excited about the roster yes. It is definitely an improvement from last year. My original post was more towards the draft.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scott has had 2 drafts with us and I don't think the 1st draft was bpa.

Why not?

[Skins3]

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

While I am a big proponent of BPA, I think saying that is a little misleading. Its not really BPA, as that is subjective to each GM/fan/talking head. Its really more of best player on that GMs respective board. I also agree that team need plays a role in grading, as should scheme fit play a role. In the first draft, McC said he wanted the team to get tougher. So his own preference would make someone like Scherff, who has a ton of toughness, have his grade elevated due to that. McC has said about the pick that Scherff wasnt necessarily the best player when he drafted him, but also said he was the highest rated on his board when he drafted him. I think toughness and need subconsciously gets Scherff a higher grade than Leonard Williams in McCs mind. I think if we were strong on the OL and weak on DL and had a tougher team already, Williams probably would have been graded higher.

IMO, Need will cause a player to get a slightly higher or lower grade in the scouting/judging phase of it all. We were desperate for OL last year, so im sure psychologically, that plays a role in a GMs final grading. An example could be something like a grade, out of a scale of 1-100, go from a 77 to an 80 due to need in the scouting phase (not saying its as simple as a 1-100 grade). But once a GM makes his final board, they need to stick to it.

As for the QB thing. Im sure once you start getting into the lower rounds, you will get a lot more players with equal grades. So its easier to get a specific position then since, if you have 20 or 30 guys with equal grades, you can choose need and still get an equally graded player based on your board.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

Ok, so who was a better player at #5 then Scherff? And it wasnt so much Moses beat him out as Scherff is better off as a G.

[That Guy]

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skins3

Scherff is a very good player and I like the pick and him. No way was he pure bpa at #5. Also he was drafted to be the RT and was beat out by Moses. Our biggest need was o-line and we drafted 3 offensive lineman last year and 0 this year. Maybe the biggest strength on the team. We maybe selecting bpa. But a factor into that grade to make them bpa is team need.

Don't get me wrong. I love Scott Mc. I'll even buy into him saying he is drafting bpa. But team need effects each players grade. They said before the draft they were going to draft a qb to groom and they did so. How did they know a qb would ever be bpa when they drafted?

EQ is right. Who was better?

And beat out by Moses?

WTF are you talking about. Callahan put his best 5 on the field and Moses/Scherff was a better combo than Scherff/Long.

He was a stud this year with a mean streak and is going to be a perennial pro-bowl guard if healthy.

As a rookie he was an every down starter.

HE MISSED ONE OFFENSIVE SNAP BECAUSE HIS SHOE CAME OFF:

Snap Judgments: Packers @ Redskins - Hogs Haven

[Skins3]

He was drafted to be the right tackle. As mentioned earlier Williams, he was the best player in the entire draft (according to 90% of draft pundints)

Why not move Moses to guard? And Scherff to Tackle?
He was a left tackle in college we drafted him 5th overall to play guard? I don't dislike the pick I am not saying it is a bad pick. I am saying we could have traded down(ya ya the phones stopped ringing when the lb was taken) and got scherff in the late 20's possibly in the 2nd round. I am not sure anyone had him as the best left tackle in the draft.

Again I like the player love what the o-line looks like now I could stand to see an upgrade at center.

Imo the tackles are the best players on the other line 1st left 2nd right 3rd Center 4th left guard 5th right guard. We have the #5 overall player in the draft starting at right guard. Does anyone in the league have the 5th overall or better starting at rg? The right tackle that beat him out was drafted in the 3rd round. Scherff started training camp out at RT wasn't doing great they gave Moses a shot and he took full advantage of it.

5th overall pick for a right guard should be perennial pro bowler type player. (Scherff can definitely be that guy.......time will tell)

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Skins3

He was drafted to be the right tackle. As mentioned earlier Williams, he was the best player in the entire draft (according to 90% of draft pundints)

Why not move Moses to guard? And Scherff to Tackle?
He was a left tackle in college we drafted him 5th overall to play guard? I don't dislike the pick I am not saying it is a bad pick. I am saying we could have traded down(ya ya the phones stopped ringing when the lb was taken) and got scherff in the late 20's possibly in the 2nd round. I am not sure anyone had him as the best left tackle in the draft.

Again I like the player love what the o-line looks like now I could stand to see an upgrade at center.

Imo the tackles are the best players on the other line 1st left 2nd right 3rd Center 4th left guard 5th right guard. We have the #5 overall player in the draft starting at right guard. Does anyone in the league have the 5th overall or better starting at rg? The right tackle that beat him out was drafted in the 3rd round. Scherff started training camp out at RT wasn't doing great they gave Moses a shot and he took full advantage of it.

5th overall pick for a right guard should be perennial pro bowler type player. (Scherff can definitely be that guy.......time will tell)

When I started this thread, I thought I was was implicitly asking for opinions on how much we improved player personnel this year. You may have missed all the debate we had about last season's draft but I assure you that we said about all there is to say about where Scherff was drafted to end up playing guard. So, how do you think we've done this year, so far?

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Skins3

He was drafted to be the right tackle. As mentioned earlier Williams, he was the best player in the entire draft (according to 90% of draft pundints)

Why not move Moses to guard? And Scherff to Tackle?
He was a left tackle in college we drafted him 5th overall to play guard? I don't dislike the pick I am not saying it is a bad pick. I am saying we could have traded down(ya ya the phones stopped ringing when the lb was taken) and got scherff in the late 20's possibly in the 2nd round. I am not sure anyone had him as the best left tackle in the draft.

Again I like the player love what the o-line looks like now I could stand to see an upgrade at center.

Imo the tackles are the best players on the other line 1st left 2nd right 3rd Center 4th left guard 5th right guard. We have the #5 overall player in the draft starting at right guard. Does anyone in the league have the 5th overall or better starting at rg? The right tackle that beat him out was drafted in the 3rd round. Scherff started training camp out at RT wasn't doing great they gave Moses a shot and he took full advantage of it.

5th overall pick for a right guard should be perennial pro bowler type player. (Scherff can definitely be that guy.......time will tell)

The player that 90% of pundits, who have never drafted a single player, said we should pick, came in out of shape:

Jets' Leonard Williams says he wasn't in good enough shape to thrive vs. Cleveland Browns | NJ.com

And his excuse was that coaches really focused on conditioning in college and players have to condition themselves more in the NFL.

HE IS A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE, WAS DRAFTED 6TH, PAYED MILLIONS, AND CAME IN OUT OF SHAPE.

McLovin probably believes trivial things like work ethic an character are just as important as raw talent. Skinzman is 100% right. The talking heads on television are wrong more than they are right and make these draft rankings like putting together a Madden roster with measurables.

Seriously, when was the last time a guy on ESPN said a player's lazy reputation will hurt their draft stock.

"IMO" stands for "in my opinion" and not "in McLovin's opinion" because he seems to care not for your Scherff is too good to play RG BS.

McLovin drafted him as a good football player. Like he has mentioned in countless interviews, you worry about how to get good players on the field after you have them on the team.

Cravens is a great example and similar to Scherff. Nobody knows if he is a LB or a SS. Nobody cares because he is a good player.

And, player personnel has improved a lot.