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[Southpaw]

Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels.

I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Since Griffin is the only real threat on the front four, he's been picking up double teams all season. Wynn has never been much of a factor as far as rushing the passer, and someone needs to explain the mechanics of the defensive end position to Phillip Daniels.

I made a point to watch Daniels on almost every defensive snap last week, and the funny thing is, he gets a decent push. The problem is, all he does is push. He makes no attempt to get around the tackle whatsoever. I guess he doesn't realize that an offensive tackle is perfectly content with letting you push him all over the field, as long as he keeps you in front of him.

Thats not nececcarily true. Some schemes that don't have prevelant pass rushers, will assign their d-line to push the linemen into the back field to close of lanes of escape from the backfield. Daniels was the first to miss the tackle on bell, and I haven't seen much of him, but I'm not so sure its the line that has the problem. I think its a combination of no depth in the secondary, leaving packages out that would normally cause pressure, having a lack of physical dominance at linebacker. Washington will shed blocks, but I havent seen marshall or holdman do much of it.

[Kope]

Noble had 14 tackles and 1 sack in 16 starts last year. I don't think he's the answer, but apparently, neither are any of our other DT's.

I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Kope

I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.

I think he meant besides CG... CG has proved a beast and got 6 sacks last year anyways.

[Kope]

I was talking about Noble

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Kope

I disagree. Stats you can't find are how many times he was doubled or how many times he prevented CG from getting doubled. He was not here to get sacks - he was here to absorb blockers.

No one is a starter in the NFL purely to absorb blockers. Now obviously a defensive tackle isn't going to get 60+ tackles in a season, but if he can't muster 1 per game, then they may as well find a much younger, cheaper version of him to "absorb blocks". Salave'a wasn't even a starter last year, and recorded more tackles and sacks than Noble.

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Thats not nececcarily true. Some schemes that don't have prevelant pass rushers, will assign their d-line to push the linemen into the back field to close of lanes of escape from the backfield.

Defensive ends are supposed to push the linemen back and square their shoulders 3-5 yards in the backfield, in order to box on a run play. But on a pass play, they are supposed to get around the tackle and get to the QB. Daniels plays every down the same, straight push.

I'm baffled as to how some of you can think that Williams is calling the plays in which the front four are supposed to just stand there and get blocked. Yes, he likes to run exotic blitzes with corners and safeties, but I guarantee that he would be much happier if the front four could create any kind of pressure on the QB so he didn't have to commit DB's to the blitz all the time.

[Kope]

No one is a starter in the NFL purely to absorb blockers.

Ted Washington?

The Sack is the most overrated defensive stat in the game. Points per game and 3rd down defense mean much, much more.

[Kope]

If you look at the top 10 teams in sacks (link ) - about half the teams are terrible (Tenn, San Fran, St Louis and Arizona) and only three are dominate (Pitt, San Diego and Indy) the rest are mediocre. My point is - sacks are in now way indicitive of good defense

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Kope

Ted Washington?

The Sack is the most overrated defensive stat in the game. Points per game and 3rd down defense mean much, much more.

Since you brought him up, Ted Washington, the epitome of a block absorbing defensive tackle had 33 tackles and 3 sacks last years. And while I agree the the sack is not the be all, end all for a defense, no pressure on the QB is one of the major reasons the Redskins can't generate turnovers. QB's tend to throw pics when they're under pressure, and fumbles come from the QB position more than any other position on the field.