Brown Frown Pregame Thread

[NC_Skins]

Kerrigan is slightly above average(aka...good player). He isn't a world beater, but he isn't some scrub either. He by far is the least of our worries on the defense though.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Kerrigan is slightly above average. He isn't a world beater, but he isn't some scrub either. He by far is the least of our worries on the defense though.

Agreed 100% but as a former first rounder, and veteran, slightly above average is soooo meh. Especially when our defense needs above average so bad.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Agreed 100% but as a former first rounder, and veteran, slightly above average is soooo meh. Especially when our defense needs above average so bad.

The wording was bad, that much I'll admit. I should have said he's a good player, not a great one. He's not going to be able to carry a defense on his back. He was/is still a lot better than Orakpo in my opinion. Second best defensive player we have on the team.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I think at this point we know what Kerrigan is. He's a solid player against the run, is going to average about 10 sacks a year, and will be a great locker room guy. You need guys like that to win rings (yes, I think he's worth his contract). I hope he's on the team for many more years. The only "problem" is you have to find a way to produce at least 22 more sacks a season (need to at least average 2 a game as a team) and right now we don't have the guys to do it straight up. Something to work on in the off season and draft.

[sdskinsfan2001]

And above all else just please win this game. With our schedule this year this is a game we have to have.

[over the mountain]

Terrelle Pryor eager to test himself against Josh Norman - Cleveland Browns Blog- ESPN

is this a thing now? Opponents openly talk about Josh Norman. Steelers it was big ben and brown. I dont remember hearing much from boys leading up to our game. Giants obviously a lot of talk leading up to OBJ ..

.... and now Pryor and Coach Hue from the Browns.

Im interested to see Pryor and if he can actually be a long term NFL contributing player vs being the only target on a talentless team.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Terrelle Pryor eager to test himself against Josh Norman - Cleveland Browns Blog- ESPN

is this a thing now? Opponents openly talk about Josh Norman. Steelers it was big ben and brown. I dont remember hearing much from boys leading up to our game. Giants obviously a lot of talk leading up to OBJ ..

.... and now Pryor and Coach Hue from the Browns.

Im interested to see Pryor and if he can actually be a long term NFL contributing player vs being the only target on a talentless team.

Good. Josh seems to feed from the noise, and convert it in hunger on the field. He's been at his best through the first 3 games, I was worrying at first but it became obvious he likes to be talked about as the bad guy, and he uses that on the field.

Bring it to him before the game, cuz he'll bring it to you during the game!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Terrelle Pryor eager to test himself against Josh Norman - Cleveland Browns Blog- ESPN

is this a thing now? Opponents openly talk about Josh Norman. Steelers it was big ben and brown. I dont remember hearing much from boys leading up to our game. Giants obviously a lot of talk leading up to OBJ ..

.... and now Pryor and Coach Hue from the Browns.

Im interested to see Pryor and if he can actually be a long term NFL contributing player vs being the only target on a talentless team.

Norman gonna shut this dude down. So he had a big game against Miami, who gives a sh*t?

[over the mountain]

For the 16th overall pick, I think Kerrigan has played above his reasonable expectation level.

National Football League: NFL Draft History
^^ that draft was loaded with top level talent

Ryan Kerrigan Stats - Washington Redskins - ESPN
^^ wow, didnt know Kerrigan has played every single game of his career. That right there qualifies as a value player imo. Very consistent with avg 9 sacks per year.

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Kerrigan currently is 31st on the list of most sacks by an active player.

Other 2011 drafted players sack totals - watt (76), von miller (65), houston (56), quinn (52), kerrigan (49), c jordan (40.5), wilkerson (38)

NFL Active Sacks Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Compared to his 2011 peers, Kerrigan is right there where he needs to be.

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Skins all time sack leaders?

Manley - 91 sacks in 8 years
Mann - 82 sacks in 10 years
Kerrigan - 47.5 sacks in 5 years (im not counting the 1.5 sacks in 3 games this year)
Coleman - 43.5 sacks in 15 years
Harvey - 41.5 sacks in 4 years

Washington Redskins’ All-Time Sack Leaders (2010 article)

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

For the 16th overall pick, I think Kerrigan has played above his reasonable expectation level.



National Football League: NFL Draft History

^^ that draft was loaded with top level talent



Ryan Kerrigan Stats - Washington Redskins - ESPN

^^ wow, didnt know Kerrigan has played every single game of his career. That right there qualifies as a value player imo. Very consistent with avg 9 sacks per year.



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Kerrigan currently is 31st on the list of most sacks by an active player.



Other 2011 drafted players sack totals - watt (76), von miller (65), houston (56), quinn (52), kerrigan (49), c jordan (40.5), wilkerson (38)



NFL Active Sacks Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com



Compared to his 2011 peers, Kerrigan is right there where he needs to be.



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Skins all time sack leaders?



Manley - 91 sacks in 8 years

Mann - 82 sacks in 10 years

Kerrigan - 47.5 sacks in 5 years (im not counting the 1.5 sacks in 3 games this year)

Coleman - 43.5 sacks in 15 years

Harvey - 41.5 sacks in 4 years



Washington Redskins’ All-Time Sack Leaders (2010 article)

Thanks OTM. Much more substance to the discussion here than "for fucks sake" or retarded. Lol
These stats really lend to the fact that he should be considered more than an average player. Or even slightly above. He is not because alot of his 50 some odd sacks came in games where we were up against a weak oline or weak team. Hence all of the multi sack games coupled with all the goose eggs.
Edit: almost tantamount to garbage time yards by a qb that inflate his numbers.

[Kope]

Please don't forget forced fumbles and TDs:

Quinn: 19
Miller: 18
Kerrigan: 18
Watt: 15
Wilkerson: 10
Houston: 8
C. Jordan: 6

Three of this list have 2 TDs in their career: Watt, Miller, Kerrigan.

So Top 5 in sacks, tied for 2nd in FF and tied for 1st in scoring is vanilla and over rated?

that is numbers alone....not including leadership, locker room value, team first mentality, work ethic.....etc, etc

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Kope

Please don't forget forced fumbles and TDs:



Quinn: 19

Miller: 18

Kerrigan: 18

Watt: 15

Wilkerson: 10

Houston: 8

C. Jordan: 6



Three of this list have 2 TDs in their career: Watt, Miller, Kerrigan.



So Top 5 in sacks, tied for 2nd in FF and tied for 1st in scoring is vanilla and over rated?



that is numbers alone....not including leadership, locker room value, team first mentality, work ethic.....etc, etc

Would anyone who thinks that questioning (not crucifying-just questioning) RK must be drunk or retarded trade him for anyone else on this list? Just curious?

Based solely on talent. Not injuries , etc. not discounting this stuff but I think everyone is in agreement about Kerrigans durability and work ethic, etc.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Kerrigan currently is 31st on the list of most sacks by an active player.

Other 2011 drafted players sack totals - watt (76), von miller (65), houston (56), quinn (52), kerrigan (49), c jordan (40.5), wilkerson (38)

NFL Active Sacks Leaders | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Compared to his 2011 peers, Kerrigan is right there where he needs to be.

Just wanted to point out that stats for a LOLB should be better than those of a ROLB. Any OLB going against a team's LT is always going to face the better competition instead of the RT. I think which side they play on should also factor into those stats as well.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just wanted to point out that stats for a LOLB should be better than those of a ROLB. Any OLB going against a team's LT is always going to face the better competition instead of the RT. I think which side they play on should also factor into those stats as well.

I agree but, me personally, I view Kerrigan as a LE. He is always asked to put a hat on the RT and doesnt get opportunities to come free or really blitz a gap. Basically he has to beat at least one guy before he can pressure the QB.
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[Chico23231]

Kerrigan hasn't been great so far this year, but this thread has gotten insane. I thought I might be on the drunk thread the last couple pages.

lets pump the brakes a bit