Jordan Reed

[MTK]

He plans on playing so I guess he's an idiot.

[Schneed10]

AW just stop, man. You're so far in left field half the time I can't even read your posts.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

AW just stop, man. You're so far in left field half the time I can't even read your posts.

pfffftttttt....
Brush it under the rug all you want but its changing the game the way we know it. (it already has)
Fast forward a dozen years and you may barely recognize the game.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

pfffftttttt....
Brush it under the rug all you want but its changing the game the way we know it. (it already has)
Fast forward a dozen years and you may barely recognize the game.

That's an entirely different statement from 'Reed will never play another down.' Which is uninformed.

[skinsfaninok]

Reed is fine, people need to realize that concussions are part of the game and have been. Favre said he had many concussions in his time and never even came out of games. It sucks but they know the risk and it's worth the reward IMO. $ talks.

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[Alvin Walton]

Thats not what I said.
I said "will he?"

And I'm associating Reeds condition and using him as an example regarding the NFLs current concussion dilemma.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Thats not what I said.
I said "will he?"

And I'm associating Reeds condition and using him as an example regarding the NFLs current concussion dilemma.

Go away

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Go away

Learn to read....

[JoeRedskin]

Six concussions is nothing to brush off as insignificant. At the same time, it's his choice and, at this point, the long-term health risks are well-known. He's a grown ass man and, if he chooses to "assume the risk" by covering up his injuries so that he can continue to play, well, that's his choice.

The Skins medical team simply needs to have a sit down with him, give him the proper warnings, and sternly instruct him not to promptly report future concussive symptoms. Document the crap out of it and send him on his way. If he plays anyway or hides the symptoms, he's got no one but himself to blame. People are allowed to do dumb things.

More to the point, the root of the problem wasn't that concussions were happening; it was that the NFL knew they were an issue, wasn't telling the players about some of the risks, and, at times, flat out misleading them. Additionally, management was essentially saying, if you don't play through this, we may just have to cut you and find someone who will.

The NFL is now making sure that, if a player gets dinged, they are covering their asses by performing evaluations, keeping known injured players out, and not overtly forcing players to "play through the pain." Again, if a player with a concussion history chooses to play in this day and age, it's on him.

I am concerned that Reed's concussions will catch up with him sooner rather than later. He is a beast and I hope he is beasting for the Skins for many, many years. However, I do not foresee a particularly long career in his future. I hope I am wrong.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Six concussions is nothing to brush off as insignificant. At the same time, it's his choice and, at this point, the long-term health risks are well-known. He's a grown ass man and, if he chooses to "assume the risk" by covering up his injuries so that he can continue to play, well, that's his choice.

The Skins medical team simply needs to have a sit down with him, give him the proper warnings, and sternly instruct him not to promptly report future concussive symptoms. Document the crap out of it and send him on his way. If he plays anyway or hides the symptoms, he's got no one but himself to blame. People are allowed to do dumb things.

More to the point, the root of the problem wasn't that concussions were happening; it was that the NFL knew they were an issue, wasn't telling the players about some of the risks, and, at times, flat out misleading them. Additionally, management was essentially saying, if you don't play through this, we may just have to cut you and find someone who will.

The NFL is now making sure that, if a player gets dinged, they are covering their asses by performing evaluations, keeping known injured players out, and not overtly forcing players to "play through the pain." Again, if a player with a concussion history chooses to play in this day and age, it's on him.

I am concerned that Reed's concussions will catch up with him sooner rather than later. He is a beast and I hope he is beasting for the Skins for many, many years. However, I do not foresee a particularly long career in his future. I hope I am wrong.

Welcome to overreaction city, population: JR. Yes it's a concern but to start talking about it ending his career early, there's no factual basis for that. He's stated publicly that he respects the choices of those like Chris Borland who have decided to retire from the game to avoid this issue, but in the same breath said that's not the way he's going to choose to do it.

So unless you can show me a bunch of guys whose career has been ended against their will due to concussions, then it's hyperbole.

[Chico23231]

Im with you Joe...

But Reed practiced yesterday and isn't ruled out for this week and he meets with a doctor for clearance tomorrow. Havent heard if he is practicing today.

[MTK]

No you're the puppet!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

No you're the puppet!

Freezer Dolls? those dolls are some cold hombres...

[JoeRedskin]

<sigh> It's been a while since I have been Schneeded.

Yes. He's going to play because, for now, he can choose to do so without it affecting his play. To me, given his history with concussions and his general injury history, he seems to have a little of the "eggshell" effect - one of those guys who just gets injured. Further, because of that, I think it very possible he will get his bell rung one to many times with the result that his physical ability to play will become impaired.

In terms of players forced out due to concussive effects, two come to mind. Jahvid Best and Jovan Belcher. Of course, no one was talking about concussive effects being a factor until recently and the cumulative effects of multiple concussions has only recently been discussed at the NFL levels. In the case of Belcher, it wasn't until they exhumed his body and founds signs of CTE that the role of concussions in his murder-suicide was even considered.

Have players been cut b/c they weren't as sharp as they once were? Are there symptoms we recognize now that weren't obvious before this discussion began? Bottom line is that, we don't know how many careers were cut short by concussive effects b/c no one was really checking that. While generally occurring later in life, some concussive effects can have permanent or live altering effects after even after a second such event.

Neurosurgeons and other brain-injury experts emphasize that although some concussions are less serious than others, there is no such thing as a "minor concussion." In most cases, a single concussion should not cause permanent damage. A second concussion soon after the first one, however, does not have to be very strong for its effects to be deadly or permanently disabling.

AANS - Concussion

Then there's this: 11 NFL Careers Cut Short By Concussions

Just b/c it is only recently that this issue has gotten attention doesn't mean players weren't affected by it previously. Because concussions effect everyone differently, and not every head trauma is the same, I suspect that, for every guy who has played through 15-20 concussions with no ill-effects, there are guys who are never the same after the first couple. There is simply no way to know how many players' careers were ended "against their will" b/c of concussions for the simple reason that, before 2010 or so, it was not a matter of public attention. Guys who had their "bell-rung" one too many times were likely cut with little or no fanfare.

I concede you one point. Much depends on the willingness of the player to play on despite numerous concussions. At the same time, you want to pretend that concussions can never have a progressive effect on a player's physical abilities and cut his NFL career short? Well, that's just obstinate Schneeding.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

<sigh> It's been a while since I have been Schneeded.

Yes. He's going to play because, for now, he can choose to do so without it affecting his play. To me, given his history with concussions and his general injury history, he seems to have a little of the "eggshell" effect - one of those guys who just gets injured. Further, because of that, I think it very possible he will get his bell rung one to many times with the result that his physical ability to play will become impaired.

In terms of players forced out due to concussive effects, two come to mind. Jahvid Best and Jovan Belcher. Of course, no one was talking about concussive effects being a factor until recently and the cumulative effects of multiple concussions has only recently been discussed at the NFL levels. In the case of Belcher, it wasn't until they exhumed his body and founds signs of CTE that the role of concussions in his murder-suicide was even considered.

Have players been cut b/c they weren't as sharp as they once were? Are there symptoms we recognize now that weren't obvious before this discussion began? Bottom line is that, we don't know how many careers were cut short by concussive effects b/c no one was really checking that. While generally occurring later in life, some concussive effects can have permanent or live altering effects after even after a second such event.



AANS - Concussion

Then there's this: 11 NFL Careers Cut Short By Concussions

Just b/c it is only recently that this issue has gotten attention doesn't mean players weren't affected by it previously. Because concussions effect everyone differently, and not every head trauma is the same, I suspect that, for every guy who has played through 15-20 concussions with no ill-effects, there are guys who are never the same after the first couple. There is simply no way to know how many players' careers were ended "against their will" b/c of concussions for the simple reason that, before 2010 or so, it was not a matter of public attention. Guys who had their "bell-rung" one too many times were likely cut with little or no fanfare.

I concede you one point. Much depends on the willingness of the player to play on despite numerous concussions. At the same time, you want to pretend that concussions can never have a progressive effect on a player's physical abilities and cut his NFL career short? Well, that's just obstinate Schneeding.

Holy blah blah blah.

Dude, you found an article saying there are 11 out of the thousands of players who have played in the NFL over that period. If he's willing to play through it, as he said he has, there's very little reason to believe he'll be one of the very rare folks to be forced out due to brain health.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be concerned for him. Never did I brush it aside. I'm "Schneeding" this asinine idea that he may not play another down (AW) and that this may shorten his career. That's a bridge too far.