Redskins 31 Browns 20 post game talk

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Saying that we can't win the East makes no sense to me, it all comes down to our division games. We still get the Cowboys and Giants once more each, and we still have the Eagles twice.

Eagles look pretty good but I think it's a matter of time until someone exposes their horizontal passing game, all the screens and short out routes. A team with real corners is going to get up in their face and bring the safeties into the box and dare weak ass Agholor and Dorial Green Beckham to win. The defense is fierce, though.

We had Dallas routed if not for the 3 missed TD passes by Cousins. He's playing better now.

And the battle with the Giants was so close, we forced the turnovers when we needed to. We can beat them again, especially at home.

Don't get down, there's lots of time remaining.

I agree 100%. BUT I am concerned about the defense. If the turnovers don't keep coming, then the team is in trouble...That being said, if the offense continues to improve, and they are able to score a higher percentage of TDs compared to FGs in the red zone, then they have a chance to hang with just about anybody.

How about that NFC East by the way - one quarter of the season is in the books, and it's the only division that does not have a team with a losing record. Is the NFC East back or is it too early to tell?

[hutch17]

Wasn't it Kirk coming to start his first every game and throwing an early interception only to bounce back and beat the browns what spurred our 2012 run, lets do that again!

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I agree 100%. BUT I am concerned about the defense. If the turnovers don't keep coming, then the team is in trouble...That being said, if the offense continues to improve, and they are able to score a higher percentage of TDs compared to FGs in the red zone, then they have a chance to hang with just about anybody.

How about that NFC East by the way - one quarter of the season is in the books, and it's the only division that does not have a team with a losing record. Is the NFC East back or is it too early to tell?

That's kind of how I look at it. Think about the things that are sustainable, and what isn't. Is this line blocking well, and does it figure to continue? I think so. Are the receivers getting open and do they figure to continue? I think so. Is Cousins delivering on time and on target? First two games no, but against NYG and Cleveland he's been back to his normal self, which includes the once-per-game brain fart but otherwise on point.

The defense probably will not take the ball away at this rate. But I also don't think they'll tackle this poorly again, and I don't think they'll continue to give up 3rd downs at a 57% clip (NFL average is 37% and the next worst behind the Redskins is the Lions at 47%).

I do think our division is much better than it's given credit for, I've thought that all along. There was a lot of improvement in the offseason.

[calia]

BTW, let's hear it for Coach Kotwica. Special teams has been very good this year -- our PK and P are as good as any in the league, coverage has improved over last year, and Crowder has helped our return game tremendously.

[Schneed10]

These are the number of 3rd down conversions allowed per game. Note the bolded. With small sample sizes like this, any statistical observation is bound to revert towards the mean, at least somewhat.

We'll get better on 3rd down defense, and the Eagles will begin to get exposed a bit more often. I expect a tight race between all 4 teams coming down the stretch.

Rank Team 2016
1 Philadelphia 3.3
2 NY Jets 4.0
3 Oakland 4.0
4 Indianapolis 4.2
5 Seattle 4.2
6 Houston 4.5
7 Tampa Bay 4.5
8 Miami 4.8
9 Cincinnati 4.8
10 Pittsburgh 4.8
11 Carolina 5.0
12 Buffalo 5.0
13 Baltimore 5.0
14 San Diego 5.0
15 Dallas 5.0
16 Cleveland 5.2
17 Green Bay 5.3
18 New Orleans 5.5
19 Atlanta 5.5
20 Tennessee 5.8
21 Chicago 6.0
22 Detroit 6.0
23 New England 6.0
24 Kansas City 6.0
25 San Francisco 6.2
26 Arizona 6.2
27 Denver 6.2
28 Los Angeles 6.5
29 Jacksonville 6.5
30 Minnesota 6.7
31 NY Giants 6.7
32 Washington 6.8

[calia]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

These are the number of 3rd down conversions allowed per game. Note the bolded. With small sample sizes like this, any statistical observation is bound to revert towards the mean, at least somewhat.

We'll get better on 3rd down defense, and the Eagles will begin to get exposed a bit more often. I expect a tight race between all 4 teams coming down the stretch.

Rank Team 2016
1 Philadelphia 3.3
2 NY Jets 4.0
3 Oakland 4.0
4 Indianapolis 4.2
5 Seattle 4.2
6 Houston 4.5
7 Tampa Bay 4.5
8 Miami 4.8
9 Cincinnati 4.8
10 Pittsburgh 4.8
11 Carolina 5.0
12 Buffalo 5.0
13 Baltimore 5.0
14 San Diego 5.0
15 Dallas 5.0
16 Cleveland 5.2
17 Green Bay 5.3
18 New Orleans 5.5
19 Atlanta 5.5
20 Tennessee 5.8
21 Chicago 6.0
22 Detroit 6.0
23 New England 6.0
24 Kansas City 6.0
25 San Francisco 6.2
26 Arizona 6.2
27 Denver 6.2
28 Los Angeles 6.5
29 Jacksonville 6.5
30 Minnesota 6.7
31 NY Giants 6.7
32 Washington 6.8

Interesting -- there are some good defenses (Denver, Minn, NE) near the bottom of this list. Very early in the season for this stat to be too significant, perhaps, but I agree with the sentiment that we will get better in this department. If we do not, we're not going to win many more ballgames.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by calia

Interesting -- there are some good defenses (Denver, Minn, NE) near the bottom of this list. Very early in the season for this stat to be too significant, perhaps, but I agree with the sentiment that we will get better in this department. If we do not, we're not going to win many more ballgames.

I think the difference is in margin of victory. If you're letting up a lot of 3rd downs when the game is close - conclusion is your defense is sucking balls. If you're letting up a lot of 3rd downs when you're up a couple scores, like Denver Minnesota and New England have been several times, then you're in prevent mode and just looking to contain chunk plays. Clock is your friend at that point, giving up a first down is not a concern.

[30gut]

Loved that they made an effort to have Balance.
This is the type of gameplan/play calling I want to see going forward.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by calia

BTW, let's hear it for Coach Kotwica. Special teams has been very good this year -- our PK and P are as good as any in the league, coverage has improved over last year, and Crowder has helped our return game tremendously.

Good call. I can't remember the last time the punter and kicker were both super ballin.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Good call. I can't remember the last time the punter and kicker were both super ballin.

And we executed a fake punt! Hopkins has been awesome - he's hit some long ones this year.


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[SFREDSKIN]

I really want to see him win the starting LG position:
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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Loved that they made an effort to have Balance.
This is the type of gameplan/play calling I want to see going forward.

Agreed!

Even the defense play calling was better imo, lot more blitzing than the 3 first weeks.

[redskinsfan1980]

Let me tell all you delusional homers one thing. If this defense doesn't improve drastically really soon. You can forget about winning the division. This defense is by far one of the worse in the league. Good teams aren't going to turn the ball over three times in one quarter. We are going to have to line up and stop people. Right now we can not do that. Until they show me they can I have no reason to believe they will.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Let me tell all you delusional homers one thing. If this defense doesn't improve drastically really soon. You can forget about winning the division. This defense is by far one of the worse in the league. Good teams aren't going to turn the ball over three times in one quarter. We are going to have to line up and stop people. Right now we can not do that. Until they show me they can I have no reason to believe they will.

We might not have to. The offense so far has been scoring close to 30 points each time, so as many of us predicted, scoring 30 points a game gives us the best chance to win. Many of us believe with our current defense, we will finish 8-8 or 9-7. Either *might* be good enough to win the division, we will have to wait and see.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by redskinsfan1980

Let me tell all you delusional homers one thing. If this defense doesn't improve drastically really soon. You can forget about winning the division. This defense is by far one of the worse in the league. Good teams aren't going to turn the ball over three times in one quarter. We are going to have to line up and stop people. Right now we can not do that. Until they show me they can I have no reason to believe they will.

You could have posted this same thing this time last year. Fact is, we can improve as the season progresses...the season is ebb and flows. Things change...