Skins lions post game

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

In a way I can't fault Joneses fumble in the endzone. He's been challenged by his coach to run like a 230lb RB and not a pussy, his extra effort in trying to score cause the fumble. This will be a lesson to him to just go down, he's not the 1st or last RB to fumble in the endzone due to extra effort.

Dude the effort was not 4th and goal from the one. Than you extend your arms. From where Jones was going down , unless his arms were 7 feet long , you do not extend the ball and put it in a vulnerable position. Especially on second down!
That is 1000 percent on Jones. Come on man.

[over the mountain]

Right guard Brandon Scherff and cornerback Bashaud Breeland also suffered injuries but later returned to the game. Scherff suffered an AC sprain on his left shoulder in the second quarter, but he returned to the game on Washington’s opening drive in the second half despite dealing with soreness.

“The trainers have numbing medicine that they used,” Scherff said. “They just numbed it up, and we were ready to go.”
Breeland missed a handful of plays because he tweaked his right ankle in the second half, but he returned to the game on the following drive. He said he rolled his ankle after he was pushed off, but he knew he had to stay in the game when the Redskins had already lost Norman.

“I wanted to win the game,” Breeland said. “I don’t like letting my team down. One corner already went down. It’s no room for both of us to go down in that type of game. My mind-set was to play through it.”

- Schreff and Bree are tough SOBs.

The injuries going forward kinda scare me.

Trent Williams has been LP for the first day or two of practice every week (I thought for hip?) but this knee injury could take longer than 2 weeks (London-bye).

Josh Norman concussion might mean he will be out for the Bengals game as well. Apparently he left the locker room with sunglasses, fwiw. It appears that Norman has a concussion history - had one last season and missed 2 games in 2014. He might have had more. This article from last year just talks about 2.

Carolina Panthers' Josh Norman enters concussion protocol with head in - NFC South- ESPN

[NC_Skins]

Looks like Gruden is going to start Jones at RB next week. That pretty much kills any faith I have in Gruden as a head coach. Good coaches don't allow this shit to continue as it has with Jones and his fumbling. Good coaches instill discipline and correction within a team. Gruden doesn't have it.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Looks like Gruden is going to start Jones at RB next week. That pretty much kills any faith I have in Gruden as a head coach. Good coaches don't allow this shit to continue as it has with Jones and his fumbling. Good coaches instill discipline and correction within a team. Gruden doesn't have it.

Jay is a players coach and that's a good thing sometimes and that's y he wants Jones to start because he shows faith and trust

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jay is a players coach and that's a good thing sometimes and that's y he wants Jones to start because he shows faith and trust

Players coaches generally don't win. Disciplined coaches do. I'd rather a Belichick, Parcells, Johnson type of coach than a Gruden, Dungy, Ryan. Being a players coach doesn't cut it. This is about winning. If it means a man loses his job then so be it. He's being paid to do a job. If he can't do it, find somebody who can. It's obvious that Jones can't do the job.

Gruden has given Jones enough time and patience. It's time to turn the page. Gruden's job and our wins depend on it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Players coaches generally don't win. Disciplined coaches do. I'd rather a Belichick, Parcells, Johnson type of coach than a Gruden, Dungy, Ryan. Being a players coach doesn't cut it. This is about winning. If it means a man loses his job then so be it. He's being paid to do a job. If he can't do it, find somebody who can. It's obvious that Jones can't do the job.

Gruden has given Jones enough time and patience. It's time to turn the page. Gruden's job and our wins depend on it.

I think the players coach vs a hard ass is so overrated. What is Gary Kubiak? He sure couldn't get over the hump in Houston, then he got a great defense and now he's a SB winning coach. Or what about Dick Vermeil? No one was harder on players than that guy was. He couldn't win until he gets Faulk, Warner, Bruce, Holt and he wins a SB.

In the end it's still about players and currently we don't have enough good ones.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I think the players coach vs a hard ass is so overrated. What is Gary Kubiak? He sure couldn't get over the hump in Houston, then he got a great defense and now he's a SB winning coach. Or what about Dick Vermeil? No one was harder on players than that guy was. He couldn't win until he gets Faulk, Warner, Bruce, Holt and he wins a SB.

In the end it's still about players and currently we don't have enough good ones.

There is a happy medium between being a players coach, but one with discipline. This isn't Matt Jones third fumble. This is his 8th in 243 attempts. That's about 1 fumble for every 30 carries. No, this is the time to instill discipline in the team and let them know it's not going to be tolerated. I can live with mistakes, just not mistakes that continue to be a pattern. I'm not saying he should be cut, just made inactive for couple games and given a final chance.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Looks like Gruden is going to start Jones at RB next week. That pretty much kills any faith I have in Gruden as a head coach. Good coaches don't allow this shit to continue as it has with Jones and his fumbling. Good coaches instill discipline and correction within a team. Gruden doesn't have it.

I would imagine that just sitting on the bench wouldn't necessarily help Jones with his ball security issues. However, I doubt Jones sees the same number of snaps or carries the bulk of the workload at RB. Unless Jones drastically improves, this may be come a RB by committee.

[skinsfaninok]

Ty is a great backup LT, we will be ok plus the bengals pass rush isn't very good. Other than at geno who do they have?

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[T.O.Killa]

Joe Gibbs takes Matt Jones out and he never plays again. He would rather let Chris Baker run the ball, rather than Jones.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

Joe Gibbs takes Matt Jones out and he never plays again. He would rather let Chris Baker run the ball, rather than Jones.

Gibbs always had a stable of RBs...We don't really have that same luxury.

IMO, Kelly should get more work and Chris Thompson basically was the reason Cousins scored on the R/O...Thompson had been ballin all game.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gibbs always had a stable of RBs...We don't really have that same luxury.

IMO, Kelly should get more work and Chris Thompson basically was the reason Cousins scored on the R/O...Thompson had been ballin all game.

I promise you they had no more running backs, than we do now. He would start Kelly and if Kelly gets hurt, he would bring in Chris Thompson. If they got hurt, he may just run Niles Paul. The next week they would release Jones and bring up Mack Brown.

[Schneed10]

My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley. Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My bigger thing is, if you set the fumble issue aside for a second, I don't see a major difference between Jones and Kelley. Jones is bigger but he doesn't always run like it, he still dances too much and doesn't always get low enough. When he does he looks pretty good, but he's too inconsistent with it.

I don't think Kelley gives you the ability to run guys over, but he's going to be decisive going into the hole. I would start Kelley.

The thing that bothers me about Jones fumbles is how many happen with little to no contact. Its not like he is getting blown up when he gets hit and he runs like he is Chris Thompson's size. At this point if it were me Jones wouldn't play the rest of the season

[SFREDSKIN]

Great news!!

I'm told the MRI on Trent Williams' left knee revealed no structural damage. Belief is that he might be able to play Sunday.