Election Day

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So if we don't build a wall, are you saying your currently satisfied with the security of the border? Your satisfied with the flow of undocumented folks coming across the border? With the flow of drugs and human trafficking? Human trafficking is big business for bad hombres. What about American Citizens living along the border? Pretty much eff them? Those folks don't deserve the security?

Im kinda lost with folks who think we shouldn't secure the border. So are you good with people just walking through your own property...what about if they are carrying drugs and guns?

Definitely not. I'm moderate when it comes to immigration. I think we need to tighten our borders for sure, but also don't think we should be hunting down and shipping out hundreds of thousands of people. Border control is one of the more complex issues for me. While I will agree with one idea that's maybe more liberal, I will also agree with a more conservative idea.

For me, the whole idea was just flat-out stupid. In addition to the logistics, it just flat out wouldn't work.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Definitely not. I'm moderate when it comes to immigration. I think we need to tighten our borders for sure, but also don't think we should be hunting down and shipping out hundreds of thousands of people. Border control is one of the more complex issues for me. While I will agree with one idea that's maybe more liberal, I will also agree with a more conservative idea.

For me, the whole idea was just flat-out stupid. In addition to the logistics, it just flat out wouldn't work.

yeah I don't think we will be hunting down folks either...not for that. Im for an existing path with current folks here that have established families. But I think before you tackle the policy...that border needs to become secure.

I also think if we establish an existing path, then we bring harsher penalties to those who cross illegally. Actual Human traffickers are shown no mercy...they get caught and locked up immediately with no bail. Human trafficking is the scummiest of all scum.

I think a stronger border is a must...maybe not a wall in all places, but defiantly a more secure border...lets use technology.

Its unfortunate, but a lot of folks don't really understand what the people of texas and Arizona go through who live against the border....its bad. Not safe at all. And that's a disservice by the federal government.

[Alvin Walton]

Trumps 100 day action plan.

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_lan...ontractv02.pdf

Two different items from that I copied and pasted -
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FOURTH
, begin removing the more than two million
criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel
visas to foreign countries that won’t take them back.

End Illegal Immigration Act
Fully-funds the construction of a wall on our southern
border with the full understanding that the country of
Mexico will be reimbursing the United States for the full cost
of such wall; establishes a two-year mandatory minimum
federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after
a previous deportation, and a five-year mandatory minimum
federal prison sentence for illegally re-entering for those
with felony convictions, multiple misdemeanor convictions
or two or more prior deportations; also reforms visa rules to
enhance penalties for overstaying and to ensure open jobs
are offered to American workers first.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

yeah I don't think we will be hunting down folks either...not for that. Im for an existing path with current folks here that have established families. But I think before you tackle the policy...that border needs to become secure.

I also think if we establish an existing path, then we bring harsher penalties to those who cross illegally. Actual Human traffickers are shown no mercy...they get caught and locked up immediately with no bail. Human trafficking is the scummiest of all scum.

I think a stronger border is a must...maybe not a wall in all places, but defiantly a more secure border...lets use technology.

Its unfortunate, but a lot of folks don't really understand what the people of texas and Arizona go through who live against the border....its bad. Not safe at all. And that's a disservice by the federal government.

All of this definitely sounds reasonable to me. I guess when it's all said and done, it'll be a learning moment for everyone. My biggest fear is him doing irreparable damage (some I think he has already done) during his four years that would take longer than my lifetime to undo.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

All of this definitely sounds reasonable to me. I guess when it's all said and done, it'll be a learning moment for everyone. My biggest fear is him doing irreparable damage (some I think he has already done) during his four years that would take longer than my lifetime to undo.

Just curious - what damage do you think he has already done?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Just curious - what damage do you think he has already done?

I would start with insulting muslims, mexicans, women, etc and than being elected potus. Minor details. Im glad people are protesting. At least the rest of the world knows that we are not all fans of his crass racist ignorant speech. Do not ever underestimate the power of words.
Edit - c-red remember me accidentally flipping the bird to the old lady who was a cowboy fan? U had a problem with that kind of hate. So i guess im wondering how you could even ask the question "what kind of damage he has done"?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I would start with insulting muslims, mexicans, women, etc and than being elected potus. Minor details. Im glad people are protesting. At least the rest of the world knows that we are not all fans of his crass racist ignorant speech. Do not ever underestimate the power of words.
Edit - c-red remember me accidentally flipping the bird to the old lady who was a cowboy fan? U had a problem with that kind of hate. So i guess im wondering how you could even ask the question "what kind of damage he has done"?

Politician/Political fear mongering has gone on forever on both sides of the aisle, it's not destroying or damaging the US, any more than the divisiveness the democratic party has long done. (You possibly don't see it that way, so you probably disagree my belief about the long term damage inflicted on society by the PC crowd.

I'm not going to defend every statement Trump has ever made, there are too many bonehead ones. But I do like that instead of walking around in a PC cloud, he spoke openly about what he sees as the issues, and let the cards fall where they may.

Speaking non-PC in this PC driven world was amazingly refreshing, even if at times it makes you understand how PC speak came into existence.

If he continues the tone once in office then that may well do some long term damage, but whether it was the republican primaries, or the general election, he said and did what he thought it took to defeat his opponents. If he attacks the US's real problems with that same vigor and clear speech, I hope we will see real progress across the cultural spectrum and in the long run a far more united country


As for the flipping the bird incident, it was an overt one on one act which at the time I obviously reacted to. (I don't really remember the details of the encounter - or my comments about it - but you bring it up often enough I clearly reacted strongly).