Around the NFL Week 12

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Very unsportsmanlike, IMO.

Eff that you play to win. If it is legal and helps you win do it every effin time.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Eff that you play to win. If it is legal and helps you win do it every effin time.

Harbaugh took advantage of a loophole. The coaches who don't take advantage of loopholes are the ones that don't last. Every coach is looking for every advantage. Harbaugh might be the first coach to do this but he won't be the last.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by mooby

Harbaugh took advantage of a loophole. The coaches who don't take advantage of loopholes are the ones that don't last. Every coach is looking for every advantage. Harbaugh might be the first coach to do this but he won't be the last.

Yep, that was pretty smart.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

Harbaugh took advantage of a loophole. The coaches who don't take advantage of loopholes are the ones that don't last. Every coach is looking for every advantage. Harbaugh might be the first coach to do this but he won't be the last.

Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.

Yeah I just don't get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... but can end on an offensive penalty... The Bengals should've had the choice to accept the penalty, refuse the safety, and replay the down...

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Yeah I just don't get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... but can end on an offensive penalty... The Bengals should've had the choice to accept the penalty, refuse the safety, and replay the down...

Because if it could end on a defensive penalty nobody would ever score at the end of a game. There would be pass interference, face mask tackling, etc etc.
What the Ravens did was basically run out the clock, but when you have the lead and the ball that is your choice.
I guess the nfl thinks if you have the ball and need to score that you should be given a fair opportunity to do so, but if you need to get the ball back AND score that you are fucked anyway.
Plus remember that if you have the ball and it is the last play and you are losing - it obviously is not fair that if you commit a penalty that you should get another shot. It is a very fair rule in that way.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Because if it could end on a defensive penalty nobody would ever score at the end of a game. There would be pass interference, face mask tackling, etc etc.
What the Ravens did was basically run out the clock, but when you have the lead and the ball that is your choice.
I guess the nfl thinks if you have the ball and need to score that you should be given a fair opportunity to do so, but if you need to get the ball back AND score that you are fucked anyway.
Plus remember that if you have the ball and it is the last play and you are losing - it obviously is not fair that if you commit a penalty that you should get another shot. It is a very fair rule in that way.

I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty.

That is a really good, common sense idea. It fixes a potential abuse of the rules without impacting anything other than the specific loophole it is designed to remedy.

For those reasons, it'll never be enacted.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I totally get why the game can't end on a defensive penalty... what I disagree with is that it can end on an offensive penalty. I think it should always be the choice of the team "victim" of the penalty.

Why should a team be rewarded with an extra play at the end of the game when they commit a penalty?
The team is backed up all the way in their own end. They are going to try some lateral crap or just heave one long rite? So the quarterback snaps the ball and doesn't like what he sees. Or they are lateraling the ball down the field and it becomes quite apparent that the play is about to end. What to do? I know commit a blatant penalty and try again. So it has to end on an offensive penalty.



On a defensive penalty it can just never end.

If the offensive team is winning (unlike the example above) and commits a penalty. well tough shit. You are talking about one play where a miracle would have to happen anyway. They would have to differentiate the rules depending on whether the offensive team is winning or losing during the last play of the gameand all because a miracle finish just might happen? If you are in a situation where you need a miracle to win well than you probably deserve to lose anyway.

Im trying hard to see it from the other angle. I mean they would have to differentiate between whether the offense is winning or losing? If you are losing and commit a penalty it should definitely be over. If you are winning and commit a penalty than you replay the down?
Seems hokie.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Time for a rule change to close that loophole. Holding is a foul, which means it is considered to be unfair. For the game to be closed out via a mass violation of the holding rule doesn't seem to me to be what the League would want.

Pretty sure after all the media attention the NFL will discuss it this offseason. But like most rule changes they do, it will be overkill vs. a simple solution like what Frenchskin suggested.