Cards vs Skins Postgame Freakout

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Bucket

He actually did see the Blitz. He said he was going to switch to Max protect but decided not to, and it was miscommunication by Crowder and Himself. Crowder ran a choice route, and it was the same play vs Dallas were Crowder got the 9 yard game late in the game after catch the 5 yard hitch.

If there is pressure. The WR needs to know that he had to sit on that route. Crowder didn't because Kirk never called Max Pro. IE Kirk will usually call out "Oscar" or "Rhino"

Was a simple miscommunication by both guys and it cost us. It's something they will get better at as years go on.

Very good point. We need to remember that kirk is young in playing experience.

[calia]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Very good point. We need to remember that kirk is young in playing experience.

No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.

[SFREDSKIN]

We need this kid to comeback and start to dominate, we need DL help.
Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

We need this kid to comeback and start to dominate, we need DL help.
Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated

Who?

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

We need this kid to comeback and start to dominate, we need DL help.
Washington Redskins kid: Anthony Lanier II — The Undefeated

maybe he should start to contribute first

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

maybe he should start to contribute first

Read the article?

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Read the article?

yes, the guy might be good in the future... the notion he is going to be dominate soon is far fetched

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

yes, the guy might be good in the future... the notion he is going to be dominate soon is far fetched

You never know, he's starting to make plays, has good size (built like Michael Bennett and is also an undrafted FA like Bennett) has the physical abilities and is athletic. Anything is possible is what I meant.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by calia

No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.

True shit right there. Right now we only need to focus on beating the Eagles, if we do that we can get right back on track. As far as the pick goes, Kirk was under more pressure yesterday than he has been most of the year. It's not inconceivable to think that after the strip sack and the pressure it was getting to him and it affected that throw. In case anyone forgot two of our linemen went down, and Lauvao was getting beat like a red-headed stepchild. Hopefully they will be better this week.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by calia

No excuses. As much as it pains me to say so, Dak Prescott hasn't thrown a pick like that this year, and Kirk has a lot more experience than he does. I don't know if it was on Kirk or Crowder (or both) -- clearly they weren't on the same page, which is a shame as Crowder was open (as was the deeper route).

So frustrating that they lost. But one game at a time -- beat the snot out of the reeling Eagles, and focus on nothing else. I think they can win out -- they've already beaten two of the teams they're playing, and Chicago is no good. The Panthers strike me as the East coast version of the Cardinals, although after last night, it looks like they're mailing it in (let's hope).

Let's see what fight these guys have in December. I hope it's a lot.

OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bucket

OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Comparing dak to kirk is not even fair. Dak literally looks at 2 reads 90% of the time and both are usually a check down safe pass to Beasley or witten. He's ranked like 30th in pass attempts of 25 yards or more down field. I saw the stat last week, only Alex Smith and kaepernick were behind him. He's a check down king.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Comparing dak to kirk is not even fair. Dak literally looks at 2 reads 90% of the time and both are usually a check down safe pass to Beasley or witten. He's ranked like 30th in pass attempts of 25 yards or more down field. I saw the stat last week, only Alex Smith and kaepernick were behind him. He's a check down king.

Glass half empty analysis. The glass half full variant is a rookie QB who ACTUALLY goes through his progressions and does not try to 'force the play'. Call him a 'check down king' if you like. But that is a part of the reason he only has 2 INTs on the season.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Bucket

OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.

Winner winner chicken dinner. Well said.

[PorkSkins]

Originally Posted by Bucket

OK since you went there.

Dak has 120 less pass attemptso compared to Kirk. Let's compare what each QB is asked to do before the snap.

Dak Prescott
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check to run or switch direction of run
Has option to check hot

Kirk Cousins
Calls play in huddle
Has option to check run, pass, and direction.
Has option to change position of players on the field
Has option to check protection and calls protection
Has option to check hot
Has option to run turbo or no huddle

These are two different QB right now. Kirk is asked to do alot more because he's trusted by the coaches. Dak isn't even allowed to call protection. They give that option to the Center Frederick.

Dallas also has a basic scheme, Dak is required to see one side of the field with combo routes. Two reeds maximum and then checks his hot. Kirk has ability to scan whole field, adjust the play and routes and cording of the defense, has multiple reads which sometimes goes to 5 reads.

This doesn't even include that we run choice routes like a mad man. The communication between Kirk and his WR is light years beyond what Dak is required to do.

You know why Dallas is more successful? They have the very best offensive line in the NFL. It's not even close. They have one of the best young versatile RB in the NFL that runs behind it.

So let's not compare 2 different QB in two totally different situations. Dallas is a better team then us....period. It fucking blows to say that and admit that, but it's true.

The choice route was a miscommunication and it happens. You are also going to throw more interceptions when you are asked to do more. Simple...

Zona is a more complete team then us, and beat us up. Our defense is terrible, and we need to address it in the offseason.

I agree, other than Arizona is a more complete team than us. They just happened to play a better game than us on Sunday. Arizona is a completely different team when they're at home versus on the road. I mean, extremely different. The#1 rated defensive team who was desperate and playing for their playoff lives, and they were at home (where they've been rather solid, this season).

As far, as the Cousins and Prescott synopsis, you're on point. Anyone who even halfway know the game can also see it. They're (the Cowboys) running an abbreviated Mississippi State offense. Prescott also rarely throws the ball under center, unless it's playaction or typically, boot action.

If anyone believes what they're doing is sustainable (long-term), even with the mega-offensive line, then you're more than likely gonna crap out. If you don't start seeing teams cracking it the remainder of the season or the playoffs, then you'll start to see it next season. Prescott will have to eventually evolve his game or the Cowboys' staff will have to get more creative. I'm not sure they can get more creative in disguising or minimizing weaknesses, as they're doing currently. So, the former will probably have to occur.

I find it funny seeing some Redskins fans worried about Dallas long-term. Why? There are only a small, handful of teams who has been seriously competitive long-term (ie, Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Ravens and the likes). Most of the league has been up-and-down to garbage. The Panthers had a dream season last year (15-1). They destroyed their share of teams, too. Look at 'em now. The Cardinals was 13-3 last season, and now are fighting to get into the playoffs.

This is a year-to-year league for most of the teams. Heck! It's basically a week-to-week league for the majority of the teams. Dallas is more prone to be fighting for their playoff lives or stinking it up, next season, than they are to being a consistent product like the teams I mentioned above. I'd wait another season or two before crowning Prescott and the Cowboys.

I also wouldn't mind another crack at 'em, if we make the playoffs. HTTR, folks!