Skins vs Carolina Pre Game

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So it was Preston Smith on that play? No surprise. WTF is he even on the field at this point? Trent Murphy should be getting all his playing time.

For the sake of argument only, let's assume that Smith had tried to pick up the man he was assigned on that play. Well, he's too slow and not quick enough to cover anybody anyway.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here: the only hope we have of getting any value out of Smith is to have him gain weight and play DE. He's just too slow to play OLB.

That was a terrible 2nd Round pick. On Smith's college tape, it was crystal clear that he lacked quickness and now we know he's just plain slow. That wasted pick is on Scot M. Scot needs to start appreciating speed and quickness a lot more than he seems to now.

Also, I can't think of an NFL team that doesn't have ILB's and saftey's who are faster and quicker than the ones we have. Our ILB's can't cover TE's because they're too slow. Our saftey's can't help the CB's because they're too slow.

It really doesn't matter whether or not a player knows the playbook or is a good citizen or is nice to his mother if he can't get to where he needs to be to make a play.

I'm as sick and tired of our slow-ass ILB's and saftey's, as I am with Smith. We desperately need more speed on defense. Scot needs to find us some people at those positions who can run.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

For the sake of argument only, let's assume that Smith had tried to pick up the man he was assigned on that play. Well, he's too slow and not quick enough to cover anybody anyway.

I said it in another thread and I'll say it again here: the only hope we have of getting any value out of Smith is to have him gain weight and play DE. He's just too slow to play OLB.

That was a terrible 2nd Round pick. On Smith's college tape, it was crystal clear that he lacked quickness and now we know he's just plain slow. That wasted pick is on Scot M. Scot needs to start appreciating speed and quickness a lot more than he seems to now.

Also, I can't think of an NFL team that doesn't have ILB's and saftey's who are faster and quicker than the ones we have. Our ILB's can't cover TE's because they're too slow. Our saftey's can't help the CB's because they're too slow.

It really doesn't matter whether or not a player knows the playbook or is a good citizen or is nice to his mother if he can't get to where he needs to be to make a play.

I'm as sick and tired of our slow-ass ILB's and saftey's, as I am with Smith. We desperately need more speed on defense. Scot needs to find us some people at those positions who can run.

Haha I'm with you on that one.

I would say Foster isn't that bad of a coverage guy though, he made some plays.
Not saying he's Luke Kuechly but I really think he's a guy we'd be fine with if guys around him were better (DL, safeties, Compton...).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Haha I'm with you on that one.

I would say Foster isn't that bad of a coverage guy though, he made some plays.
Not saying he's Luke Kuechly but I really think he's a guy we'd be fine with if guys around him were better (DL, safeties, Compton...).

It's super hard to judge our ILB because our dline line doesn't do there job and allow guys to move to the second level. Oline get to foster and wil too easy.

I think foster is superior to wil...wil just isn't quick enough around the line and can't shed. Cravens should be starting next to foster next year.

Ricky jean has played better since the bye, but we need 2 new starting dlinemen...and Chris baker shouldn't slide inside, keep him at out de. We need a fat mutherfucking badass in the middle.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It's super hard to judge our ILB because our dline line doesn't do there job and allow guys to move to the second level. Oline get to foster and wil too easy.

I think foster is superior to wil...wil just isn't quick enough around the line and can't shed. Cravens should be starting next to foster next year.

Ricky jean has played better since the bye, but we need 2 new starting dlinemen...and Chris baker shouldn't slide inside, keep him at out de. We need a fat mutherfucking badass in the middle.

Yop, that's why I think DL and safeties really are a priority, because as bad as our defense looks, I'm confident we are just a few pieces away from being a totally decent defense.

A playmaker or 2 at DL, just a solid guy or 2 at safety, and we are contenders imo. I say that being completely aware how bad they look right now.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Yop, that's why I think DL and safeties really are a priority, because as bad as our defense looks, I'm confident we are just a few pieces away from being a totally decent defense.

A playmaker or 2 at DL, just a solid guy or 2 at safety, and we are contenders imo. I say that being completely aware how bad they look right now.

Good post, imo we need a big dominant NT, at least one new safety, and maybe another corner if Breelands not the guy. Some of our young guys will be better next year, Cravens, Fuller, Smith, Ioannidis, could all turn into nice pieces. And if Galette returns we have an athletic pass rusher to rotate in instead of the plodders we have now. We could actually be solid on defense next year

Edit: Oh and of course a new D coordinator is a must

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Good post, imo we need a big dominant NT, at least one new safety, and maybe another corner if Breelands not the guy. Some of our young guys will be better next year, Cravens, Fuller, Smith, Ioannidis, could all turn into nice pieces. And if Galette returns we have an athletic pass rusher to rotate in instead of the plodders we have now. We could actually be solid on defense next year

Edit: Oh and of course a new D coordinator is a must

Last offseason the Giants did exactly what you said. They spent big in FA and they got a dominant DT and an elite Edge Rusher. We criticized them a lot here for spending so much on those positions but they had the last laugh because their defense is much better.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Last offseason the Giants did exactly what you said. They spent big in FA and they got a dominant DT and an elite Edge Rusher. We criticized them a lot here for spending so much on those positions but they had the last laugh because their defense is much better.

Giants' D went from dead last in yards/game last to being a really solid defense (14th in yards/game), their performance against the cowboys was really impressive! Great defensive game. So yeah I guess that's well spent money.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Last offseason the Giants did exactly what you said. They spent big in FA and they got a dominant DT and an elite Edge Rusher. We criticized them a lot here for spending so much on those positions but they had the last laugh because their defense is much better.

I would hardly call Vernon an elite pass rusher. Nice player, not on Miller's level. Giants totally overpaid for him, as we did for Norman. That's free agency.

The Giants defense had nowhere to go but up. Yeah they're better, but I don't see them having a great defense or anything.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Good post, imo we need a big dominant NT, at least one new safety, and maybe another corner if Breelands not the guy. Some of our young guys will be better next year, Cravens, Fuller, Smith, Ioannidis, could all turn into nice pieces. And if Galette returns we have an athletic pass rusher to rotate in instead of the plodders we have now. We could actually be solid on defense next year

Edit: Oh and of course a new D coordinator is a must

yup...I wouldn't stop at 1 D-Lineman. We need 2 and to resign Swaggy Baker. I would spend money on a NT/DT and draft a DE.

Id watch the situation in Cincy...If Marvin Lewis is finally fired, then Paul Guenther will be coming to DC. Him and Gruden are close friends and Barry hasn't done enough to retain his job. Guenther will change the defense to a 4-3, no question.

[SFREDSKIN]

Coaches are high on Lanier's potential and also like Iaonnidis, this is their first year, I expect both to be on the team next year. Jenkins and Hood are ready for the retirement home. Draft 2 DL or sign one on FA in addition to Baker and we'll be fine. S and a stud ILB in addition to DL will solve our problems.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Good post, imo we need a big dominant NT, at least one new safety, and maybe another corner if Breelands not the guy. Some of our young guys will be better next year, Cravens, Fuller, Smith, Ioannidis, could all turn into nice pieces. And if Galette returns we have an athletic pass rusher to rotate in instead of the plodders we have now. We could actually be solid on defense next year

Edit: Oh and of course a new D coordinator is a must

Better off drafting DTs than a NT. Better yet if we don't get into the playoffs Barry will be probably out and maybe a 4-3 guy installed as DC. Never really heard of any real dominant NTs in the NFL. Those guys usually are just hole pluggers. We need a CB regardless of Breeland, but I think we need to move on from him. He showed so much promise last season, not sure what to think..