2017 Redskins Salary Cap Status

[Schneed10]

What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.

[SFREDSKIN]

I would keep Niles Paul and Francois.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I would keep Niles Paul and Francois.

I probably would bring them to camp and let them battle it out with whoever I end up with the roster at that point. If we don't bring Davis back then it's more important to keep Niles. If we get Davis, and we already have Reed and Carrier too, I'm probably better off using the $2.0M in space for Niles elsewhere on the roster.

Ricky Jean is a character guy. I like him, I guess I'm just hoping we've got enough talent to bump him from the rotation next year. If we still need him in the rotation then I'm not sure I love my line talent.

But this is why I love the cap space stuff, it brings up all the armchair GM questions.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.

I think it is decision time on KC. Another year with a franchise tag is not the answer. If they sign him to a long term contract his cap number could be much lower.

The same is true about Baker. A 3 year contract might be closer to $6 million the first year.

I do not want Duke or Toler back.

They must draft d lineman. They are to expensive to as free agents.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What would you do? You can't resign everyone and still expect a free agent bonanza - there will be some choices to make. Want Kawaan Short? You'll probably need to let a WR walk.

Also the numbers shown here next to most player names are educated guesses at cap impact. Feel free to debate those, but they shouldn't be more than a million or two off for each player.

of these guys, i'd like to keep:

Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)
Pierre Garcon ($8.0M) - is his cap number really going to be $8m, though?!?
Chris Baker ($8.0M)
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
Will Compton ($4.0M)
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)

davis, hood, toler, thompson, and ihenacho can hit the bricks.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by los panda

of these guys, i'd like to keep:

Kirk Cousins Franchise Tag ($24.0M)
Pierre Garcon ($8.0M) - is his cap number really going to be $8m, though?!?
Chris Baker ($8.0M)
Vernon Davis ($3.0M)
Junior Galette ($1.5M)
Nick Sundberg ($1.0M)
Ziggy Hood ($2.0M)
Greg Toler ($1.0M)
Chris Thompson ($3.0M)
Will Compton ($4.0M)
Duke Ihenacho ($1.0M)

davis, hood, toler, thompson, and ihenacho can hit the bricks.

Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.

you're dead on about thompson's blitz pickup.

he's one i could go either way on. i have it in my head that it's a sin to sign or re-sign rbs.

i feel like you can always find them late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by los panda

you're dead on about thompson's blitz pickup.

he's one i could go either way on. i have it in my head that it's a sin to sign or re-sign rbs.

i feel like you can always find them late in the draft or even as undrafted free agents.

That's a good point. They usually don't come in ready to pick up the blitz, though. Luckily we could keep Thompson without spending much dough. My issue with him is durability. He played all 16 this season, but can he do it again?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That's a good point. They usually don't come in ready to pick up the blitz, though. Luckily we could keep Thompson without spending much dough. My issue with him is durability. He played all 16 this season, but can he do it again?

He did his job and then some this year, whether it was blitz pickups, running the ball, or being Kirk's check down option when plays broke down. He's worth the 2nd round tender at minimum, but if they gave him a longer deal I'd be fine with it. He's not going to break the bank and we know he's capable of being our 3rd down back, which is all we need him to be. It's a no-brainer for me.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by mooby

He did his job and then some this year, whether it was blitz pickups, running the ball, or being Kirk's check down option when plays broke down. He's worth the 2nd round tender at minimum, but if they gave him a longer deal I'd be fine with it. He's not going to break the bank and we know he's capable of being our 3rd down back, which is all we need him to be. It's a no-brainer for me.

he did let landon collins hurdle him to sack kirk cousins though.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Surprised no love for Chris Thompson. Blitz pickup is an underappreciated skill it seems, but he threw a lot of blocks that saved Kirk's ass on some of those long-developing downfield routes. For Gruden's offense to work the backs absolutely have to pick up the blitz. Ironically, Clinton Portis would have been the absolute ideal Gruden back. Remember how wicked he was on stoning blitzing LBs?

Anyway, Garcon could be less than $8M but he's a 1000 yard receiver, who could potentially put up more in an offense that featured him more often, like in 2013 when he put up 1,346 as our only WR worth a crap. But he's 30, so if the Skins bring him back I'm assuming it will be on a 2 or 3 year deal, which of course minimizes your ability to spread a signing bonus over the life of the deal.

He's worth $9M a year on the open market in my mind, so $8M cap hit seems reasonable. He just came off a 5 year contract that paid him $8.5M per year, and that was signed 5 years ago. So on one hand you apply some inflation, on the other you shave a little value off because he's 30. So figure he'll get $9M or $10M per year on the open market.

If we gave him $27M over 3 years, the cap hit could be $8M in year 1, $9M in year 2, and $10M in year 3 depending how you structure it.

Best blocking back we've had since Portis, and solid check down option out of the backfield. Surprised he's not seeing a lot of love. I also agree with you on Garcon. I would be fine with 9/mil a year, we could manage that and there's always renegotiations if necessary.

[ethat001]

Does anyone give updates on the salary cap? Wondering how we stand, with FA signings including Pryor, Cousins franchise tag.. We still need DL in my view, hoping Logan signs -- but not sure how much more we have to spend..

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Does anyone give updates on the salary cap? Wondering how we stand, with FA signings including Pryor, Cousins franchise tag.. We still need DL in my view, hoping Logan signs -- but not sure how much more we have to spend..

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/washington-redskins