Gruden fires defensive coordinator Joe Barry

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by HAILing_from_FL

Hi everyone....My first post so go easy on me. I am new here but been a fan of the team for 40 years and was a Season tix holder from 2009-2012.



I don't know that Bradley is a no brainer.....I took a look at how the Jaguars Defense has been performing while he was there as HC and it isn't encouraging. Granted, he wasn't the DC but he had to have a heavy hand in the D overall. In 13 and 14 they were worse than the Jim Haslett lead Skins D in YPG, and 3rd D %, and both teams were bottom 5-7 in PPG allowed. In 15 Jax was worse than JBarry's Skins in PPG allowed and 3rd D % and both teams were among the league worst in YPG allowed with the Skins only 5 ypg better. in the 2016 season the Jags had the #6 overall defense in YPG allowed which is way better than the Skins but not as good as it sounds when you realize that, like the Skins, they were in the 5 worst in the league for PPG allowed. The Jags had a respectable 3rd D % this past year VS. the Skins historically bad 47% but I can't get excited about this small difference.

Bradley's D since he left Seattle seems to be about on par with Haslett and Barry. Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.

Welcome. But the Jaguars defense was 6th in yards allowed in 2016. If you want an explanation for why the points allowed was so rotten, look no further than the short fields that turnover machine Bortles put them in.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by HAILing_from_FL

Hi everyone....My first post so go easy on me. I am new here but been a fan of the team for 40 years and was a Season tix holder from 2009-2012.



I don't know that Bradley is a no brainer.....I took a look at how the Jaguars Defense has been performing while he was there as HC and it isn't encouraging. Granted, he wasn't the DC but he had to have a heavy hand in the D overall. In 13 and 14 they were worse than the Jim Haslett lead Skins D in YPG, and 3rd D %, and both teams were bottom 5-7 in PPG allowed. In 15 Jax was worse than JBarry's Skins in PPG allowed and 3rd D % and both teams were among the league worst in YPG allowed with the Skins only 5 ypg better. in the 2016 season the Jags had the #6 overall defense in YPG allowed which is way better than the Skins but not as good as it sounds when you realize that, like the Skins, they were in the 5 worst in the league for PPG allowed. The Jags had a respectable 3rd D % this past year VS. the Skins historically bad 47% but I can't get excited about this small difference.

Bradley's D since he left Seattle seems to be about on par with Haslett and Barry. Doesn't seem like a good solution to me.

Welcome.. Nice first post and this is my feelings too. Where in Bradley's past has he made something respectable out of chicken shit? Never. He seems like a upbeat, good character type of guy. But the rah rah stuff only goes so far. On the flip side I do think he is motivator and that may be half of what we need. Some of these guys need someone to kick them in the ass and play harder/smarter.

[FrenchSkin]

Guys, did you listen at Cooley & Kevin's show from yesterday morning, just a few hours before the firing?

Cooley and Kevin | ESPN 980

I'm amazed by how accurate they are. Cooley has some pretty deep sources, and insights!

They were saying it's not only a DC problem (in fact Cooley says we can do better at DC but Barry's scheme isn't the main problem) but also a defensive staff issue, because, among others things, DB coach let the DB room go completely dismantled, not coaching the guys into playing this defense as designed and as called.

And a few hours after the show, pretty much exactly what they said needed to happen happened. Just wow! They either are pretty close to the decision makers, or effin football wizards!

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Guys, did you listen at Cooley & Kevin's show from yesterday morning, just a few hours before the firing?

Cooley and Kevin | ESPN 980

I'm amazed by how accurate they are. Cooley has some pretty deep sources, and insights!

They were saying it's not only a DC problem (in fact Cooley says we can do better at DC but Barry's scheme isn't the main problem) but also a defensive staff issue, because, among others things, DB coach let the DB room go completely dismantled, not coaching the guys into playing this defense as designed and as called.

And a few hours after the show, pretty much exactly what they said needed to happen happened. Just wow! They either are pretty close to the decision makers, or effin football wizards!

Keim said the other day he had heard a lot of complaints about Fewell (DB coach) from the organization and that he wasn't surprised Fewell was let go. I don't know the ins and out, but I think its interesting. We seemed to see a lot of secondary players not play as well as last year.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Keim said the other day he had heard a lot of complaints about Fewell (DB coach) from the organization and that he wasn't surprised Fewell was let go. I don't know the ins and out, but I think its interesting. We seemed to see a lot of secondary players not play as well as last year.

Yeah. Norman was the only one who seemed to be able to play at his close to best level. And he has a strong mind.
Something in the coaching didn't help these guys play at their best level.

Don't know what, because I wasn't mad at the effort. Missed tackles number way down, some stops being made despite the apparent lack of talent...

You know what? With a little bit more talent, and the right coaching, we might have a pretty good D next year... Wouldn't bet on it, but with what we are hearing it's far from impossible.

[skinsfan69]

The defensive players/coaches really sounded like a total dysfunctional shit show. Whoever comes in here really has to roll up his sleeves and command respect from some of these clowns. Breeland seems like the guy that's leading the clown show. If it is in fact Bradley then does that mean we're going back to the 4-3 full time/ base defense?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The defensive players/coaches really sounded like a total dysfunctional shit show. Whoever comes in here really has to roll up his sleeves and command respect from some of these clowns. Breeland seems like the guy that's leading the clown show. If it is in fact Bradley then does that mean we're going back to the 4-3 full time/ base defense?

I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.

No shit, I know that. I'm just wondering if the 3-4 will scrapped all together.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No shit, I know that. I'm just wondering if the 3-4 will scrapped all together.

Doesn't matter

[Chief X_Phackter]

I don't care who it is, I just want to know if we're going to run a 3-4 or 4-3 defense next year.

Any thoughts?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I can't even believe how many times we need to keep saying that it doesn't fucking matter whether we are a 3-4 or 4-3 base. Last year we played in a 4-3 more often than we played in a 3-4.

I'm hoping we switch just so we can stop hearing about this complete non issue.

[CRedskinsRule]

If we have no talent on D next year we are in trouble anyways. Bradley can work with the type of talent SM likely beings in so I will be ok with that. I also like a HC that drops back down to DC as long as he can get along with Gruden which i dont think is an issue. I think they often get a wider perspective and it enhances there effectiveness as a DC.

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[HAILing_from_FL]

Jim Haslet was a HC before he came to DC as well.

Just sayin

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by HAILing_from_FL

Jim Haslet was a HC before he came to DC as well.

Just sayin

I think Barry was worst then Haslet.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I think Barry was worst then Haslet.

It's not even close, he was way worse.