Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[KI Skins Fan]

I didn't blame Cousins inability to relax and play at his best on the lack of a long-term contract. He did.

I'll grant you that he may be upset that he doesn't have the full support of management by now.

I hate whining by anybody, especially multi-millionaires. So, whatever his reasons for being upset he can keep it to himself, as far as I'm concerned. It's business. He's holding all the cards and he doesn't even seem to know it. He should be thinking "If Snyder doesn't want me, then f*** him! I'll go elsewhere, make just as much money, and light up the little bastard's team whenever I play them." That's how grown men handle business matters.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I didn't blame Cousins inability to relax and play at his best on the lack of a long-term contract. He did.

I'll grant you that he may be upset that he doesn't have the full support of management by now.

I hate whining by anybody, especially multi-millionaires. So, whatever his reasons for being upset he can keep it to himself, as far as I'm concerned. It's business. He's holding all the cards and he doesn't even seem to know it. He should be thinking "If Snyder doesn't want me, then f*** him! I'll go elsewhere, make just as much money, and light up the little bastard's team whenever I play them." That's how grown men handle business matters.

I agree with you on the part that he's not in a position where anyone should feel sorry for him.

But I think you are missing part of my point: the emotions a man may feel when he's been working his ass off for several years with people he saw every day, he gets the feeling they are starting to build something great together, and then these people he shared emotional moments with for years seem to not believe in him that much, while he has been among those making their part and more than that.

That has to be frustrating.
Again, it's not all about the money he could make here or elsewhere, I think he felt he was part of an adventure here and would like to see the other members of the adventure believe it should continue together.

Now should he keep his emotions to himself? Absolutely, but I don't think he expressed anything else than the desire to stay here long term. Which I'm fine with.

Anyway we wouldn't be having this discussion had the board done what they should have done weeks ago.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I think you are missing part of my point: the emotions a man may feel when he's been working his ass off for several years with people he saw every day, he gets the feeling they are starting to build something great together, and then these people he shared emotional moments with for years seem to not believe in him that much, while he has been among those making their part and more than that.

The only way he's going to know if he's wanted is for him and his agent to meet with Dan Snyder and ask Snyder point blank. If the answer is yes, then they should establish a deadline to get a long-term deal done. If an acceptable deal is not completed by that date, they should ask for a trade and then announce to the public that they have asked for a trade. If Dan Snyder wants to tag him again after all that, then they should take the guaranteed $24M on the tag, laugh all the way to the bank, and then go to another team in 2018.

I don't think that Kirk and his agent are being aggressive enough with Dan Snyder. They have the best hand but they're not playing it as if they do.

[CRedskinsRule]

I would love to know if DS is even involved at that level. If he is, then we are not as far away from the DS-VC team as I thought. Yes Dan as the owner will be involved in these type numbers, but I don't think he should be meeting or dealing with the agents at all.

I do agree that KC's agent should be more aggressive, but maybe it's all back channel. At this point they have to be talking - right? Right??

[Chico23231]

Remember what Shanny said..."QB is the only position Dan cares about."

You better believe folks in the front office are getting his input every step of the negotiations.

[metalskins]

So just a pleasant reminder folks, tomorrow (February 15th) is the first day that teams can designate tags on their players. I doubt we'll hear anything out of the 'skins until the March 1st deadline, but things should start heating up after tomorrow.

[Evilgrin]

Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.

Heard that possibility talked about by Cooley and Kevin. I think that's an argument for the team's board to say "take this offer or we have that option and are ready to use it".
But I don't see how that's a great idea, we'd end up paying him in 3 years the same amount of guaranteed money he'd be asking for 6 years...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Franchise him this year, transition tag him next year.

That would be terrible cap management. You would have given him in effect a 3 year guaranteed of 67-70Million. If you plan to do that, write up a 75Mill guarantee 6yr deal net 145M and be done with it for the next 6 years.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

That would be terrible cap management. You would have given him in effect a 3 year guaranteed of 67-70Million. If you plan to do that, write up a 75Mill guarantee 6yr deal net 145M and be done with it for the next 6 years.

It would hurt the team-building process, as well. The situation here would hardly be encouraging to free agents with a Head Coach in the final year of his contract, a GM on the hot seat, and the starting QB on his second franchise tag deal.

No sense going into it too much. I think most of us would agree that the idea of tagging Kirk twice more is pretty much idiotic. Worse, it portends a descent into Dumb and Dumber II, with Smithers in the role of Vinny.

[diehardskin2982]

My thinking right now is that we will non-exclusive franchise tag Cousins this year because we can likely match the majority of offers that are signed for him and take the value if we decide not to match.

If we lose Kirk, it will be to the... Browns.

Everyone is thinking that SF because of Kyle tie in, but I believe it will be the Browns who will sign that offer sheet because they have the ammo and the reasoning.

They can trade the 1st overall pick and still pick in the first round at 12. The also have multiple 2nd round picks and the most cap space. If they want to do an outright trade they have the ammunition to make that happen.

Last year the Browns racked up multiple picks in this draft and if they don't make the right decisions this year that management will be fired.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

My thinking right now is that we will non-exclusive franchise tag Cousins this year because we can likely match the majority of offers that are signed for him and take the value if we decide not to match.

If we lose Kirk, it will be to the... Browns.

Everyone is thinking that SF because of Kyle tie in, but I believe it will be the Browns who will sign that offer sheet because they have the ammo and the reasoning.

They can trade the 1st overall pick and still pick in the first round at 12. The also have multiple 2nd round picks and the most cap space. If they want to do an outright trade they have the ammunition to make that happen.

Last year the Browns racked up multiple picks in this draft and if they don't make the right decisions this year that management will be fired.

I don't think we lose Kirk Cousins to anybody, but if it were to happen, it would be interesting that the Browns wind up getting both of our 2012 quarterback draft picks. I'm sure there's still a small sec of Redskins fans who would say to straight up trade Cousins for RGIII back, lol!

What if there was some weird three way trade where the 'skins jettisoned Cousins to the 49ers, the 49ers make some weird trade with New England in which Jimmy Garoppolo wound up heading to Washington? Could you imagine the nightmare of trying to spell his name right in these forums?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Could you imagine the nightmare of trying to spell his name right in these forums?

Garo? Polo!

That isnt too hard to spell really.....

bad, bad, bad, pun. Sorry, bored at work.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Kope

Garo? Polo!

That isnt too hard to spell really.....

bad, bad, bad, pun. Sorry, bored at work.

LOL! Hmmmm.....Jimmy Marco! Now that might have a ring to it.

[Brody81]

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