Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jay has a winning record 2 of 3 years, it is insane to even think he's not safe

You would think that but the qb that is responsible for those years is apparently not safe lol.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I picture Colt McCoy in a dark room in his house drinking a neat scotch sounding like Mr. Burns, "excellent". As of now he has a good chance of being our starting QB next year.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Fire Bruce, extend Gruden and SM, and let's get the ball rolling. I don't think Bruce offers more than the drama that he seems to create. Snyder doesn't need a yes man. I want to see what those 2 can do together for the next few years while Snyder plays the role of good owner.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Fire Bruce, extend Gruden and SM, and let's get the ball rolling. I don't think Bruce offers more than the drama that he seems to create. Snyder doesn't need a yes man. I want to see what those 2 can do together for the next few years while Snyder plays the role of good owner.

I think Bruce is the new Vinny in Dan's eyes; Bruce is the golden child so ain't going anywhere fast.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Fire Bruce, extend Gruden and SM, and let's get the ball rolling. I don't think Bruce offers more than the drama that he seems to create. Snyder doesn't need a yes man. I want to see what those 2 can do together for the next few years while Snyder plays the role of good owner.

Fire Smithers?

Snyder doesn't need a yes man?

Snyder plays the role of good owner?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Fire Smithers?

Snyder doesn't need a yes man?

Snyder plays the role of good owner?

Doesn't in he literally doesn't, not as in he doesn't want one.

It took him a long time but he's made gradual steps. Fired Vinny and brought in Bruce, then hired a real GM, the next step is to fire Bruce and let said GM do his job without someone lording over his every move.

I have simple dreams.

[FrenchSkin]

I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.

Seems sensible.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.

This is definitely entirely sensible and would be the exact tact I would be taking. Probably you as well. The key is that it presumes Allen and Snyder are sensible.

I still don't buy the Jeremiah thing. I insist on multiple sources for something like that before I really start to believe it.

It's amazing how the masses get resigned to losing Cousins based on one guy's thoughts on a radio show. Did you guys see that bookmaker.eu set odds 1-2 that Cousins would be with the team next year?

Meaning they think there's a 66% chance he'll be back. There's a reason Vegas is so glitzy and build such extravagant buildings, they're pretty good at setting odds and making money.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is definitely entirely sensible and would be the exact tact I would be taking. Probably you as well. The key is that it presumes Allen and Snyder are sensible.

I still don't buy the Jeremiah thing. I insist on multiple sources for something like that before I really start to believe it.

It's amazing how the masses get resigned to losing Cousins based on one guy's thoughts on a radio show. Did you guys see that bookmaker.eu set odds 1-2 that Cousins would be with the team next year?

Meaning they think there's a 66% chance he'll be back. There's a reason Vegas is so glitzy and build such extravagant buildings, they're pretty good at setting odds and making money.

Exactly!

I mean all he said was "I would not be shocked at all if we saw a Kirk Cousins to San Francisco trade go down at that point in time” and “I don’t think [the Redskins] are going to be able to get a long term deal done. I would say greater than 50 percent chance he’s not with the Redskins next year.”

A lot of irrational emotions in the air these days!

We also have to keep in mind it's these guys job to talk about what's happening... and during that time of the offseason, pretty much NOTHING is happening (so to speak)... but they're still paid to talk about it, so they're in stressful situation where they HAVE to find shit to talk about!

Even Cooley and Kevin get driven into the mix these days!

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Exactly!

I mean all he said was "I would not be shocked at all if we saw a Kirk Cousins to San Francisco trade go down at that point in time” and “I don’t think [the Redskins] are going to be able to get a long term deal done. I would say greater than 50 percent chance he’s not with the Redskins next year.”

A lot of irrational emotions in the air these days!

We also have to keep in mind it's these guys job to talk about what's happening... and during that time of the offseason, pretty much NOTHING is happening (so to speak)... but they're still paid to talk about it, so they're in stressful situation where they HAVE to find shit to talk about!

Even Cooley and Kevin get driven into the mix these days!

Whatever I hear most recently on any subject is my new truth, no matter how outlandish.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Whatever I hear most recently on any subject is my new truth, no matter how outlandish.

Ok, but he said "I would not be shocked at all if" not "I think that is what gonna happen" nor "that's one of the most probable issues"...

I feel like in the heat of all our discussions, waiting, and hoping, some reactions are as strong as if he said "I heard Bruce Allen said they were close to a deal with SF".

I still think the probability of KC signing a long term deal with the Redskins this offseason is somewhere between 30% and 60% (wide range, I know, it's hard to tell), not between 0% and 5% ...

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.

These were my initial thoughts, however, it still wouldn't matter. If Cousins didn't get an offer he liked from other teams this year, he has no obligation to negotiate with the Redskins this year. He can simply play on the tag once more and then hit the open market next year. Either way, Cousins is going to get paid mega-millions.

I think the thinking with the Redskins is that they would like to keep Cousins, but they would like to build a solid team across the board, and it's hard to do that with so much money tied up in one player. They may wind up losing their two top receivers as well, so that's even more bad news.

So, I think the front office is thinking the only play they really have is franchise tagging Cousins again, allowing San Fran to come in and offer him a contract they 'skins don't match, and get San Fran's two first round picks, or some other negotiated trade that's going to make it worthwhile for the Redskins.

I'm going to be a very optimistic, kool-aid drinking Redskins fan for a second and say this: Obviously there is something the coaching staff really likes about Colt McCoy. And since there doesn't seem to be any other serious names in the mix for quarterback, let's assume there's something that McCoy can show us that is every bit as good as the performance Cousins has given us. OK, then you have extra high round draft picks to play with, so you use those picks to help solidify the defense, draft an outstanding running back and/or receiver, because we will probably wind up losing both Garcon and Jackson. Suddenly you have a really young team that has added quality depth across the board. Maybe it turns out to be a similar trade like the Herschel Walker trade? Who knows? Cousins is a very good quarterback, but he isn't the end all/be all of quarterbacks, so maybe losing him wouldn't be the end of the world. </end kool-aid drinking>

[Schneed10]

While Jay no doubt likes Colt, I find it just too convenient that we're hearing leaks that the team thinks it can be successful with him.

It's a clear attempt to grab at some leverage with Kirk.

This is turbulent, but I remain convinced it's all part of the dance.

[sdskinsfan2001]

If we don't keep Kirk, Colt McCoy is a one year stop gap while a rookie draft pick learns the ropes. Nothing more.